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Hisae and I are debating whether to get our rabbit Baker's testicles chopped off. He harasses us sexually all day, biting and bruising our feet and ankles, making them sticky with his sperm. We love him, but the sekuhara is hard to deal with. Our attitude veers between amusement and annoyance. Is this the real him? Should we intervene? Would we still love Baker after an operation that changed his personality? And what are the bigger issues at stake, issues about the nature of identity, animal rights, respect and free will? Are there even political dimensions to the question of "to chop or not to chop"?



"Do you wonder why your little bundle of fluff has changed from your cute little cuddly bun to a moody, growly, sometimes aggressive bunny?" asks pet advice website BoingOnline. "Hormones I'm afraid!! Your bunny is now a teenager. This is the time when you might want to think about desexing. Desexing your bunny is something to really think about if you want to get to know your bunny's real personality."

It sounds so simple. Your baby bunny has his "real personality". Along comes a gremlin in the form of the extraneous "hormones" that appear as sexual maturity approaches. Solution: chop off the intruder in the form of your bunny's cojones. All will return to normal.

Being me, of course, I'm immediately suspicious. This notion of Baker's "real personality" being his childhood one (but which childhood personality? He seemed to go through dozens of distinct stages) strikes me as inherently rockist. What is normal? What is my real identity, and does it include my sexuality -- with all its chemicals, its Barneyesque testicular shenanigans -- or not? I'm sure my parents must have noticed how I, like Baker, became growly and aggressive when I passed through puberty. How would I feel (and how would I speak and sing?) if they'd desexed me to get "the real me" back? (It would have extended my lifespan, apparently.)

Being me -- being growly, hormonal, macho and sexed, that is -- I'm suspicious of the advice I've been reading on vet-sponsored websites. Naturally, these sites don't go into questions of what identity and free will actually are. But I can't help wondering whether the financial incentive for vets to recommend surgical procedures (bunny desexing can net them $250 a pop) skews their opinion a bit. What happens in the parallel world where the government obliges vets to perform bunny desexing free of charge on request? In that world, do we get vet-sponsored websites telling us how unnecessary the procedure is? It's not impossible. Glass half empty, glass half full.

I'm also worried by the model of sexuality proposed by these (mostly American) websites. Does it reflect cultural prejudices about the impact of gender and sexuality on identity? Americans love to think of gender as something they can rise above, as they love to rise above all determinisms and limitations. They love to see sexuality as a sort of rucksack they could leave at the cloakroom when they don't want to be burdened by it. They hate to think these things might limit their opportunity to be anything they choose to be. Does this anti-deterministic (but also anti-sexual) ideology come through even on American vet-pet websites?



Behind this debate lies the huge question of whether we have free will, of course, and what role our genes and hormones play in it. The experts at AllExperts at least exhibit some doubt. "It's hard to say if [your rabbit's] personality will change [after surgery]" they opine. "He will be calmer, and less sexually motivated. But how much of that is what you perceive as his "personality" is hard to say. Most of the rabbits I've known have not had major personality changes after neutering, though a very few have." It's a bit contradictory. How can being "less sexually motivated" fail to be a personality change?

Behind the reassuring tone of the vets looms a lot that disturbs us, a lot we still haven't worked out. Is it right to make a "surgical intervention" to alter an organism -- or a nation? Will it all go as smoothly as the experts assume? Is it really so simple to cut out the bad stuff and just leave the good stuff? Aren't good and bad -- aren't sexuality and personality, like culture and identity -- all tangled up in a warp and woof too complex for even the best surgeon's knife?

When we think of this stuff we can't help thinking of scary demagogues and cautionary tales. We think of "Chemical Sarkozy", with his recent proposal of chemical castration -- compulsory hormonal treatment -- for sex offenders. The unsettling scientist Craig Venter -- the Dr Frankenstein of the gentech age -- is there too, as is poor post-Ludovico Alex from A Clockwork Orange, Big Brother-loving Winston Smith from the end of 1984, and a crowd of moronic "epsilons" from Brave New World. Must our rabbit now become a character from these scary dystopian novels? Is carrying him to the vet the equivalent of sending in the Fahrenheit 451 fire engines?

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Asked "Why do you burn books?", the fireman Montag in Truffault's film is as clear as our pet experts: Books "make people unhappy. Books disturb people, they make them antisocial". The world would be a much better place if books -- and bollocks -- were removed in one clean, surgical sweep. Wouldn't it?
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Date: 2007-09-09 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
I don't know whether you should chop or not chop, but you should definitely write a song about your rabbit's sexual proclivities.

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Date: 2007-09-09 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beketaten.livejournal.com
Your philosophical struggle is an honourable one.
I must say that I'm always on the side of "don't amputate body parts" except in cases of horrible disease.
Let the bollocks stay and jiggle as they may!

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
Try and get Baker something that will distract him from trying to sexually harass you both. A stuffed toy animal could work.

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] microworlds.livejournal.com
Are you wearing Hisae's hair again?

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I just did it once. It's an old picture.

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jermynsavile.livejournal.com
The world would be a much better place if books -- and bollocks -- were removed in one clean, surgical sweep. Wouldn't it?

But only if wombs went at the same time.

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-newironsh15.livejournal.com
If the rabbit has no libido left to sublimate I fail to see how he will contribute to the project of civilisation

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] microworlds.livejournal.com
I also loved watching Fahrenheit 451, what with it's cheesy special effects at the end. I watched it in freshman English, then watched it again 3 years later while I was a teacher's assistant. I never noticed that Julie Christie was both Clarice and Linda. It was pretty odd realizing that.

2 more questions

Date: 2007-09-09 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
But if Baker never meets a female lover to procreate, won't he suffer ?

So maybe the true question is : should we have domestic pets at all, if we are not willing to let them go out, meet others, have sex ?

Francoise

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Date: 2007-09-09 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
Your rabbit wants to fuck. Imagine a lifetime of being horny and never being able to fuck. It's not nice. Unless you plan to let this rabbit breed as he chooses, I suggest having him castrated for hiw own sake.

Personally, If I knew that I could never have sex again due to circumstances, I'd rather live as an eunuch to rid myself of sexual desire.

Image

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Date: 2007-09-09 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beketaten.livejournal.com
but animals do masturbate!

and where humans are concerned, sexual desire is a great thing, a creative force...extinguish that, and there's not as much energy to go around.

imagine momus with no balls? oh god. ;_;

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Other option.

Date: 2007-09-09 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
For me, the debate ends with rabbit sperm on my feet.
More precisely, it ends here : http://www.cuniculture.info/Docs/Recettes/recette1-72.htm
Difficult, of course, when you are attached to the animal.

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Date: 2007-09-09 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
If Baker were living a truly natural life, he'd be outdoors, eating whatever he could find, making thousands of baby rabbits, and probably being eaten by a hawk or something after a year or two. Most domestic rabbits aren't able to survive in the wild (despite the beliefs of the idiots who abandon their pets out in the woods). By domesticating rabbits, we have taken them out of that natural life and modified them to fit our desire for a pet.

Because Baker's role is that of a pet, it's important to do whatever will keep him and yourself happy and content with him as a pet. Unfortunately, some un-neutered adult male mammals don't make very good pets.

Our dog is neutered, and he is anything but sexless; he enjoys a physical relationship with his toy bear, and we appreciate not having to wash it all the time. No Boston terrier in our area dares to turn its back on him, and he has attempted to romance a Great Dane's ankle. However, he doesn't have an overwhelming desire to break out of the house to pursue a dog in heat miles away, which helps him not get hit by cars.

Your best bet in making a decision is corresponding with people who have their own pet rabbits (they probably agonized over this decision too, and those with un-fixed bunnies can tell you how they cope), talking to Baker's vet, and remembering that a pet's testicles don't reflect on your own.

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Date: 2007-09-09 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] contentlove.livejournal.com
I would concur with this very sensible answer. Look to the health and well-being of your pet. That's the kindest, most responsible thing to do.

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Date: 2007-09-09 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
I have a passionate and very earnest opinion on this subject. The following link, however, expresses it better than I can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsJ19sy3JI

wait wait wait

Date: 2007-09-09 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gigant0r.livejournal.com
was that a genuine "Rick Rolling" or a sincere attempt to demonstrate the potential effects of castration? because it's making me want to chop my dog's nuts off, post haste.

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME?

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GIRLS ON FILM

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Date: 2007-09-09 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm with Philo on this. Animals don't have free will.

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Date: 2007-09-09 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smithsimon.livejournal.com
i'm with the consensus, which appears to be that Baker really should be out in the free world, shagging like some kind of animal well-known for having sex a lot, but if we're going to accept the morality of having a pet, then do whatever makes him happiest - rabbits have sex because of an urge to procreate, get rid of that urge and he'll not be as frustrated. And you won't get rabbit sperm on your shoes.

BoingOnline - possibly the best website name ever?!

who has free will?

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Date: 2007-09-09 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinkado.livejournal.com
hey momus,

my boyfriend and i (& our roomates) share our apartment with our pet rabbit emily, and we too have been debating the issue of 'to fix, or not to fix', with much of the same reasoning you've just given for baker.

one thing unmentioned here so far, though, is that proposition that an un-fixed bunny is far more likley to develop cancer within the first few years of life.

for that alone (as especially since it's more common amoung the ladies) we'll probably get emily spayed when we can afford it.

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Date: 2007-09-09 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
just buy him a lady bunny to fuck, then you can make a fortune selling the offspring

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Date: 2007-09-10 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
all sentiment aside i would summon a meeting thoroughly considering the merits vs demerits of Topo being there. it should be a long , japanese style meeting where no one is allowed to leave the room until concensus is reached. if the outcome is that Topo should stay then a second meeting should be called immediately to deal with today's question.

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Date: 2007-09-10 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
Baxter needs a girlfriend who is on the pill. If they don't make The Pill for bunnies then you'll need to get extra extra small condoms and help Baxter put them on when he's feeling randy. Although sperm on the shoes might be easier to deal with. But remember condoms are not 100% reliable.

If you're not going to let him mate then he's like that character in one of your songs - The one about the guy who is the only sexual being in the world.

Chop them off. He won't know what hit him and he will still love you.

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Date: 2007-09-10 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I am cursed with a strange delusion:
I imagine myself to be
The only rabbit in the world that desires
And reproduces sexually
And every other rabbit is an amoeba
A tapeworm, a eunuch or virus
(Baker-san, I think you are mistaken, son, Baker-san)

So I sit on the tube trying desperately to conceal
This embarrassing anomaly
This sin particular to me
For I, uniquely, must prick up my ears
I, uniquely, have a cock beneath my fur
I scratch it sometimes with my paw in front of boxes of straw

It's as though I (and I alone)
Should be punished for the Universal Sin
Which reminds me of someone
But I am not like Him
I am the only lagomorph in the world that desires
Wandering lost amidst cathedral spires
Sacrificed on behalf of the general
Possessor of an unruly genital

Amongst the dead I scratch my breast
Proclaim my sinful proclivity
For simply living outside captivity
Sexually, as if I were unique, and the world uniquely unforgiving
Some rodent, please understand me!
Tell me you feel the same way!
(Baker-san, I think you are mistaken, son, Baker-san)

So I sit on the straw trying furiously to conceal
This carrot I gnaw, this outlandishly physical zeal
That, if I were to reveal, would seem simply surreal
In your eyes when you realise
I think differently from you
Amidst the phallic towers
Amidst the birds, the bees and flowers
The rabbits too

It's as though I (and I alone)
Should be punished for the Universal Sin
Which reminds me of someone
But I am not like Him
I'm the only lagomorph in the world that desires
Being ushered towards my funeral pyre
To be cooked in a pot, oh, it's criminal!
With mint sauce, dill pickle and vinegar

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Date: 2007-09-10 01:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
no. yes. yes. no. yes. ehh. ehh. yes. no. ehh.ehh. of course. &eh.

also, would any of these questions been asked if you'd gotten a lady rabbit?

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Date: 2007-09-10 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Good enough for Farinelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farinelli), good enough for Baker.

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Date: 2007-09-10 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
...which is to say that the only sperm found on one's shoes should be one's own. Should this happen, champagne and a little elbow grease will shine them right back up.

Ale or Lager

Date: 2007-09-10 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pay-option07.livejournal.com
Find a recipe for jugged hare! Bon appetit!

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Date: 2007-09-10 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachilious.livejournal.com
I took my bun to the vet as soon as his testicle dropped. I couldn't stand the smell of droppings and him being territorial ( droppins everywhere!).
He's the same bun afterall, he just doesn't go around my feet so crazy as he used to and I think he found out that I'm not his gf after the surgery.
As far as the cost, you might want to go find a Animal Birth Control Center. They charges $60~$80 vs. $100~$300 ( reg. vet). Make sure your bunny is in good health shape and young b/c ABC only does a quick physical work , no blood work or post care.

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Date: 2007-09-10 03:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The white elephant in your argument is that Barker is YOUR PET. Regardless of whatever quaint notion of preserving his natural rabbit rights you might have, you OWN HIM. You'd like to frame your opposition to castration as a rebellion against an unjust system, but you are implicit too.

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Date: 2007-09-10 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onethinwallaway.livejournal.com
The world would not be a "better" place, but instead a calmer, less interesting one.

I think the real mess of it is that chopping is only necessary because we keep pets in the first place. I think it's unnatural to even have to make this decision. The decision to reduce an aspect of...anything for the sake of convenience or comfort wouldn't even exist if we never involved ourselves in ideas, personalities, or people (troublemakers) that may need future "chopping" in the first place. But what's the fun in abstaining from problems and dilemmas that need solving?

Sacrificing personality for fur, excitement for peace.

ashley treatment

Date: 2007-09-10 09:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Reading this I'm reminded of my disquiet over the 'Ashley Treatment'

http://ashleytreatment.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E25811FD0AF7C45C!1837.entry?_c=BlogPart

To perform a hysterctomy and breast-bud removal on a severly disabled girl and give her high-doses of oestrogen to to stunt her growth and prevent other signs of secondary sexual development.

There are pragmatic reasons - to spare her the inexplicable (to her) pain of menstruation, to keep her physically small enough so that her ageing carers can handle her.

But there's also a sense in the discourse of her parents that her pre-sexual identity is her true one. That she sould remains an innocent "Pillow Angel". There is open admission that adult breasts would sexualise her in ways that might disturb the care-givers who have to handle and clean her.

Very troubling.

real personality

Date: 2007-09-10 10:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I doubt that Baker currently has the focus to commit to a program
of yoga, pranayam and meditation with a mountaintop guru -
this would eventually produce the same effect as the chopping,
but you might have a decades-long wait, and costly retreats to
pay for.

NW6 ex-rabbit owner weighs in

Date: 2007-09-10 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm really glad Baker never jizzed on me when I visited!

My childhood rabbit was never neutered but was non-growly and friendly until the day he died, probably because every spring/summer we did allow him to 'cover' someone else's female rabbit. Also, he had a lovely disposition. Whatever the case, I'm gratified to say I've never had to deal directly with bunny spunk.

ISTR that yours is pedigreed or whatever (rule: paid-for bunnies are, free bunnies are like rabbit-flavoured moggies) so go back to the breeder and ask if LAGOMORPH HOOKUP is an option here.

If you cannot manage to do this for him you have to get him neutered, honestly, since the frustration causes him to growl and scratch but also to CHEW - and you'd feel TERRIBLE if he chewed through a high-voltage cable and therefore died of sexual frustration. xx

Re: NW6 ex-rabbit owner weighs in

Date: 2007-09-10 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
No sex makes me growl and chew through high-voltage cables, as well.
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