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On 5th February I'm playing a concert at Doll Dress in Osaka, described by Digiki as "some kind of weird Goth boutique with a cosplay / Goth theme event on Sunday, I've been there and it was strangely fun".



Flyers for past shows at Doll Dress look very Gothic Lolita (or gosurori), so I'll try and choose my most frilly, chilly and darkly romantic songs to please the girls. Here are the details:

Fleurir Rose Vol. 9
2006/02/05 Sunday
Open 16:00 / Start 17:00

Venue: Doll Dress / Gallery Brocante
4-24 Yamazaki-Cho Kita-ku, Osaka
Live: Momus, Harukiya
DJs: Chou Chou Noir (Velvet Moon),Tetsuya Matsukawa (Hattrick)
Advance ticket: 1500yen / door: 2000yen
Drinks & foods are free (except alcoholic)

And for more frilly thrills...:
Film showing (2 short films)
Photo session contest, making up booth, future-teller booth
Gothic-Lolita, Drag Queen

Momus concert starts at 20:00 (45 minutes)
Party End: 21:00
Shop Close: 23:00 (Bar time)

http://www.hattrick-records.com/live.html
http://www.brocante.jp/

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-20 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratehead.livejournal.com
Beggin your pardon, explain to me again how gothic lolitae aren't "fashion goths"?

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Date: 2006-01-20 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
To quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_lolita):

"In Japan, Goth is a very minor subculture with few followers, partly because the emphasis upon visual identity in Japanese youth culture makes other factors such as music and literature less important signifiers and perhaps partly because Christianity and Germanic culture are not integral parts of society.

In Japan, people who have heard the term "Goth" usually assume that it refers to "Gothic Lolita", except for the Goths themselves, who strongly emphasize the differences. (Likewise, some western observers incorrectly assume that "Gothloli" is the Japanese version of "Goth".)"

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 12:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Riiiiiiight... "You fucking fashion goth."

But then what else should we expect from you.

Hypocrite.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
This we will repeat for the hard of hearing:

"Likewise, some western observers incorrectly assume that "Gothloli" is the Japanese version of "Goth"."

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 01:17 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Even a royal "we" put into play.

The joke (hint: you) writes itself.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
This we will repeat for the hard of hearing" is a lyric quote, though an admittedly obscure one, and not one I'd expect you, Talahassee Detractor (welcome back!) to pick up on. It's from a song by commie synth band The Passage. The song is Clear as Crystal (http://www.thepassage.co.uk/texts/clear_as_crystal.html) and it's about Americans and their religion.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 07:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...admittedly obscure ...


Wrong again.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflyrobert.livejournal.com
The cowardly anonymouses seem to be the joke here.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 01:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
He can`t help it, he`s a momus.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 01:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
He can`t help it, he`s a momusron.


There, fixed it for ya'.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-g-m.livejournal.com
Likewise. Isn't this the exact difference you are illustrating when you define "Fashion Goth" as an aside from just "Goth"? I thought the insertion of the word "Fashion" was used to demonstrate the emancipation of the cultural signifiers (Music, Literature. etc).
And is it right to actually assert that there is such a difference when this event in itself clearly shows that "Gothic Lolita" do identify with important cultural signifiers?
If I remember correctly- your article clearly listed the different kinds of Goth and the different cultural signifiers associated with them. Fetish Goth, Suicide Girls etc. The only difference with the Wikipedia article that you have provided is that it claims there is no cultural signifiers which "Fashion Goth" depends on. Since there is a "Boutique" devoted to this fashion and since they obviously provide an outlet of culture I would say that this assertion is false.
Your argument basically reads "Since something is not defined it can't be put into a category that is already defined".

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Actually, there's quite a long section in the original Fashion Goth (http://www.livejournal.com/users/imomus/128677.html) entry about how Gothic Lolitas are not Goths:

"Japanese people tend not to be fashion goths, or into kitsch. Even the black lace Gothic Lolitas in Japan are something else, really. They're human mille feuille cakes, not goths. I think it's because Christianity has never meant anything in Japan..."

This all gets rather theological and pedantic, but as far as definitions go, not only am I and Wikipedia on the same page, I was quite clear about my definitions from the start.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Also, I'd like to note in passing that the Wiki article says the Gothic Lolita trend began in Japan in 1998. Now, I was in Japan twice that year, and documented this as it began, calling the look decora-chan. Anyone who was reading my website back then will know that this style influenced my least gothy album ever, "The Little Red Songbook" (http://www.imomus.com/littlered.html):

"In late rainy season rain I walked around Harajuku, Tokyo's youth and style district, videoing the Decora-chan girls, who dress like Marie Antoinette as a cyberpunk milkmaid, mixing petticoats with transparent plastics."

Gothic Lolita is Decora's stylistic close cousin, a black-and-white version.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petit-paradis.livejournal.com
western goths are 1980s, the gothic lolita's are 1880s.

"I watch the sailors on the bus a little lustfully.........."

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratehead.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Enjoy the show.

Dear Momus

Date: 2006-01-21 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
Are you going to perform in NYC when you come back? I'd love to be there. I saw you some time ago in Denver. I am a big fan. I want to engage in a full-on NYC Momus dance party.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-20 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That graphic is incredible! Who's work is it?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-20 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Mumbleboy (http://www.mumbleboy.com) (with a wink to Captain Harlock). The bit on the right, I'm not sure, it's googletrawl.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shiu.livejournal.com
you're going as blackjack?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 01:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Goth for Yen. It's all we can expect from poop star whores. Fashion or otherwise.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Again, a gothic lolita club is not a goth club. I promise you would search these frilly thrilly girls' record collections in vain for Nine Inch Nails or Bauhaus.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
How many people who call themselves Goth in 2006 would admit to owning those records either, sir? :)

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
NIN is a 90s reference, sure. But the young fashion goths I know in Berlin are still very much into Joy Division and Bauhaus. I'm talking about students in their early 20s. As for the mall goths, well, I can promise you that gosuroris are also not going to have Cinema Strange, Black Ice, and Antiworld records at home either. THEY ARE NOT GOTHS!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
'Goth' was a term of derision I used to mock other teenagers in high school -- not as a reference to white make-up and black clothes (cowboy hats and shit-covered boots were more the norm), but as an allusion to actual German barbarians.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I hope you hurled a lengthy footnote with each slander!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
How many true goths would even call themselves goth?

Bella Lugosi Dread

Date: 2006-01-21 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
Thank goodness. Sounds a bit more promising. I went to a goth night here in North Eastern America dressed in a blue raincoat, red fishnets, grandma slippers, large faux grandma glasses, an overbearingly huge hat, and I carried an umbrella in case the club should rain tears. Surprisingly, the goths complimented me on my horrid attire. I was quite incensed by this at first, then I found it extremely amusing. I though maybe I had set a new trend. Bauhaus shirts stared at me from dark corners. I opened my umbrella and flew away.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 02:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I like it how most/all of the people making personal attacks on our host on this LJ like to remain anonymous.

Cowards.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 07:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Mr. Pot? Mr. Pot?! Mr. Pot, it's Mr. Kettle on line one!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkligbeatnic.livejournal.com
I dare you to use the funniest Click Opera phrase of 2005, What's wrong with the Enlightenment, girls?.

It sounds like fun, but, unfortunately, I will probably not be able to attend.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tropigalia.livejournal.com
MOMUS AND GOTHIC LOLITA?? IN OSAKA?

THAT SOUNDS LIKE LITERALLY THE BEST THING EVER! I WISH I COULD GO!!

WHOA THE CHICK IN THE PICTURE LOOKS MORE MAID THAN GOSURORI
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(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
The building is very gosurori!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
That sounds cool. I've heard that Gothic Lolita is becoming popular here in Sweden. Though I haven't seen the actual definition of it yet.

Are you going to dress up with your "darker clothes" to become that Captain Harlock figure or do you got something else in your mind?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
oh my god! it's Moe-mus!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eptified.livejournal.com
I am sending my Osaka friends, one of whom is a hopeless gosurori herself. So if you see a robust, apple-cheeked midwestern white girl decked out in frills, say hello.

To answer the earlier nitpickers (who fail to understand that it's fashionable nihilism you were objecting to rather than something monolithic called "goth") I will say that I know nobody who is brimming fuller with lust for life than she. There's nothing about gothic lolitas that seeks death-- it's all about elegance, and miles of lace.



(no subject)

Date: 2006-01-21 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kurenai-kaishin.livejournal.com
Westerners sure can't understand Japanese culture...they are mere westerners after all!

elegance

Date: 2006-01-21 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
Elegance is more refined than death at least. More tasteful.

Music

Date: 2006-01-21 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
Joy Division, Bauhaus...yes, much better than Cinema Strange and blah blah, but what about Death In June, Current 93, and Coil, etc. Still some of my favorite bands. I do prefer variety though, music lover that I am.

Re: Music

Date: 2006-01-21 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
and Swans of course.

2 words

Date: 2006-01-21 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Strawberry Switchblade

Trees and Flowers

Date: 2006-01-21 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebekenezer.livejournal.com
Yes, Rose McDowell, Strawberry Switchblade. She worked with the groups I mentioned above, except Swans, and she did some vocals for Felt.

Re: Trees and Flowers

Date: 2006-08-22 02:44 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
She is one hot toddy o a SCOT!!

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