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It's business as usual over on Neomarxisme: American St Georges are crusading to free Japan of its dragons, even when these "dragons" consist of the entire population of the country and all its institutions. Yesterday's dragon victims were the credulous Japanese public and the PR-driven publishing and media companies that lie to them. Marxy turned his attention to Densha Otoko, the "Trainman" story which began as an advice thread on BBS 2-ch, became a best-selling book, is now a film and a Fuji TV serial, and will soon see manga and, inevitably, porn spoof spin-offs. Trainman is a 22 year-old otaku or hikikomori type who's never dated a girl. He saves one from the attentions of a drunk on a train, and starts a 2-ch thread asking for advice on what to do next, very much as Allan in Woody Allen's Play It Again Sam solicits advice from an imaginary Humphrey Bogart. Well, thanks to the thousands of Bogarts giving him advice on the bulletinboard, the nerdy Trainman transforms himself into a cool dude and wins the girl in the end.

It's always interesting to read Marxy's pieces on Japanese pop culture (although readers of Jean Snow's excellent site learned about the Trainman saga eight months ago) but unfortunately there comes a moment in each one when he climbs atop a soapbox and delivers a sermon, an editorial, a complaint or a jeremiad concerning Japan's "original sin" or "termial decline". This usually involves a conspiracy of some kind, a lie by the authorities, or an idiocy on the part of the public. Sure enough, this time Marxy is irritated that the Trainman story is being presented as "a true story". He suspects that the whole thing was fabricated. In order to help him (and his many Junior St Georges, like the American who suggests, in the comments, that Marxy should alert the New York Times Tokyo bureau to the fraud, which would otherwise be covered up by the complicit Japanese media), I've gone through the Trainman plot stage by stage, assigning probabilities to each twist in the form of percentages. (0% = I think this didn't happen, 100% = I think it happened.)

1. Chance encounter in the train. May have happened, or may be a figment of Trainman's imagination. I'll give it 50%.

2. Saves girl from a drunk. A lot of chikkans and drunks abound on Tokyo trains, 90% likely.

3. Receives a set of Hermes teacups from her as a thank-you gift. Japanese do give a lot of gifts, but I find this somewhat excessive. 35% likely.

4. Obsesses online on whether or not to telephone her and ask for a date. More and more Japanese obsess online, 99% likely.

5. Finally plucks up the courage to call her and they agree to meet for dinner -- his first ever date with a woman. A 22 year-old hikikomori seems plausible to me. I myself didn't really have a proper date until I was 21, and I left home, which is more than these hikis do. 72% likely.

6. With the advice of his online supporters, he gets a stylish new haircut, buys new clothes, and decides to get contact lenses. I've seen a lot of Hair and Make salons, clothes shops and contact lens shops around Tokyo, I'll give this 100% on the credibility scale.

7. They have another dinner date, at which a friend of hers checks him out. Friends do tend to check you out, and are useful as chaperones if the fellow is too impatient, or conversation partners should he be tongue-tied. 87%.

8. They start exchanging cell-phone messages daily. 10,475,630 cell-phone messages fly across Japan daily, this is 100% true, I feel.

9. In April they have tea together at her home using the gift teacups. I smell a fish, didn't she give the teacups to him? So what are they doing at her home? 25%.

10. In May he goes shopping with her for a computer. May is a busy time at Sofmap, I'll buy that at 68%.

11. Later that day in a park he confesses his feelings to her and she reveals that she returns them. Pure otaku wish-fulfillment. This isn't a Yon-Sama melodrama, you know! Get back to your porn sites! 25%.

12. They kiss for the first time. Oh honestly, who would believe that? Wouldn't the birthrate be higher if this sort of thing were so easy? 7%.

Okay, perhaps I made my point. Art is "the lie that tells the truth", and the moment we write anything down for entertainment purposes, it becomes art. That doesn't stop its archetypes—boys meets girl, Bogart guides nerd—from remaining deeply true.

It's impossible, and pretty pointless, to disentangle truth from fabrication in a cultural product, just as it's impossible, often, to attribute ownership to a big archetypal idea, an idea that comes out of common lived experience. But, deep in the epistemological morass of the "truth v. fiction" angle, Marxy has missed a shot at one of his favourite themes, Japanese pakuri or plagiarism. Someone called Steve Stratton signed Jean Snow's comments page in April with a claim to have written "Densha Man" with the same title and same plot , based on his own experiences in Japan, ten years ago. Stratton claims to have published extracts on the web six years ago. "Be assured," he says bitterly, "when the movie goes into production, my lawyers will be hunting for the Japanese clown who wrote the utter piece of crap Densha Otoko."

I look forward eagerly to the day Mr Stratton's gaijin Trainman replaces the Japanese copy on Japanese screens, and Marxy writes a tubthumping piece about how the American Trainman is hoodwinking Japan.

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Date: 2005-07-11 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I don't understand how you fail to see yourself as some kind of reverse St. George, saving the Japanese from the West!

Marxy

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Date: 2005-07-11 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I could never (and would never presume to) do it better than the Japanese themselves do: they're the world's best filterers and curators of the best of the West. They do it so well that, when you're there, the West looks pretty good. Maybe you need to go home a bit more to see how well the Japanese curate, and how disappointing the West actually is!

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in the country of the blind, the one-eyed is king

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semantic

Date: 2005-07-11 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"otaku or hikikomori type"

these are not the same thing.
nick, for example, is an otaku, but at the same time a social butterfly.
-r.

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Date: 2005-07-11 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Did you know that actress Nakatani Miki in Densha otoko once said in a magazine 'H' interview that momus is her favorite artist?

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Date: 2005-07-11 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I did hear that, yes. Members of Smap have also said similar things. Hey, it's a conspiracy!
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Date: 2005-07-11 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You're missing the point. They did amazing curation in the late 90s.

Marxy

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No Kidding.

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Date: 2005-07-11 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bit late in the day, but I got to say I was there with you, a-l-l-l the way.

Rob

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Date: 2005-07-11 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"American St Georges are crusading to free Japan of its dragons"

nick seems pretty keen on hefting the st. george term around.
looking at the wiki entry on st. george reveals a very interesting event in his life...his death!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George

"...By his late twenties he had gained the titles of tribunus (tribune) and later comes (count), period which George had been positioned in Nicomedia as a member of the personal guard attached to Roman Emperor Diocletian (reign 284ミ305). In 303, Diocletian issued an edict authorising the systematic persecution of Christians across the Empire. His caesar Galerius was supposedly responsible for this decision and would continue the persecution during his own reign (305ミ311). Itォs believed that George was ordered to take part in the persecution but instead confessed to being a Christian himself and criticised the imperial decision. An enraged Diocletian proceeded in ordering the torture of this apparent traitor and his execution."

so it appears that in addition to being a reputed dragonslayer(?), st. george was actually willing to risk his life criticizing the christain "establishment," which sounds like a level of resolve worth having! well i don't know how far marxy/david is willing to go with this deconstructing japan blogging thing, and i hope his life is never put in danger by his prominent voice. in any event, i think that ol' st. nick inadvertently paid marxy quite a nice compliment!
bravo,
r.

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Date: 2005-07-11 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see his head on a pike in Shinjuku one day, and men in sunglasses walking away whistling the latest hits by Johnny's Jimusho artists.

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hardhitting C21 blogger journalism

Date: 2005-07-11 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenmonkeykstop.livejournal.com
Maybe Densha Otoko knows where to find the weapons of mass destruction.

Maybe he is the weapons of mass destruction.

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Date: 2005-07-11 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
According to Raphael, the most deadly weapon in the Japanese WMD arsenal is nipposexuality.
http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/05062803.html
Best,
R.

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Date: 2005-07-11 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubow-org.livejournal.com
maybe she has the same tea cups? she loves them so much she gave him the same set? (never read the story...just guessing)

yay...another story to convince all computer geeks out there that they can get bootyful girls!

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Date: 2005-07-11 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] armistice-day.livejournal.com
When Momus was in Egypt-land:
this is not Japan!

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Date: 2005-07-11 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I don't know. Every time I start thinking "well, there are some interesting thoughts here" you go off on one of your pig-headed, stubborn, obviously beside-the-point-y rants againts Marxy. (This time, for example, as many times before, missing the "commercial machine behind it" angle for the "art is always invention" defense.)

I find your Japan almost as scary as Marxy's. (And the self-flattering "you know more about what's going on in Japan" very Marxy-ist in tendency.)

der.

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Date: 2005-07-11 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
one of your pig-headed, stubborn, obviously beside-the-point-y rants againts Marxy. (This time, for example, as many times before, missing the "commercial machine behind it" angle for the "art is always invention" defense.)

So what if there's a commercial machine behind the Trainman story? Come on, we're talking about popular culture here! "Commercial machine behind popular culture" is strictly a "dog bites man" sort of story, no? Why would I write about something as screamingly obvious as that?

If you think that things with a commercial machine behind them are inherently less authentic or interesting for that reason, you're basically a rockist and guilty of "moronic cynicism". Marxy actually hunts out a cynical angle for every single story he posts on his site. His "cynical angles" change from day to day, and often contradict each other. The only consistency is that the Japanese have to be on the wrong side of the equation. I found it interesting that he concentrated on the rockist question of authenticity here, and totally missed a pakura angle. He loves those! And I found it interesting that the pakura angle leads to a world where Trainman is remade with a Westerner as its hero (allegedly as originally written by Stratton). Marxy's authenticity question doesn't go away in that scenario, but it does get directed to an American instead of a Japanese writer... whoops, against house policy! Kill story!

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Date: 2005-07-11 08:14 pm (UTC)
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Probably the dullest and most pointless Momus writing ever.

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Date: 2005-07-11 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflyrobert.livejournal.com
With so much arguing and criticizing as this post has inspired, I found the post to be warm and funny. The jabs toward marxy seemed playful and good-natured, like old schoolyard chums might do. Why do so many people tend to be so shrill and self-righteous on this man's journal?

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Date: 2005-07-11 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
The jabs toward marxy seemed playful and good-natured, like old schoolyard chums might do.

I like to think of it as two rival pirate galleons puffing broadsides at each other, a sideshow at Tokyo Disney Sea, photographed by delighted crowds of squeaky teenage girls.

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This is hilarious

Date: 2005-07-11 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thetemplekeeper.livejournal.com
Do you and Marxy want to get your own jousting live journal page? Whoever delivers the most rhetorical blows gets the Lady and the labels for Japan! I know you are against pompous universalism, but surely you don't mean to replace it with mere long-winded, small-minded parochialism!

Come on, you and Marxy: you're the same person really, aren't you?

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Date: 2005-07-12 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] w-e-quimby.livejournal.com
That actress is very pretty. She looks like Harisu.

Learning the language

Date: 2005-07-12 06:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasongtokyo.livejournal.com
Lars von Trier makes (arguably brilliant) films about America and he's never even been there. Conversely, he said he'd love it if a filmmaker who'd never been to Denmark made a film about the country.

Learning the language of the country you're interested in will most definitely enrich your appreciation of it and allow you to penetrate deeper (ahem), but there are different ways to love a culture. Certain interests and studies demand that you learn the language, others perhaps don't. The way Momus (and many others) groove on Japan might not be "improved" by learning the code -- it might in fact demystify things to a point where it loses its some of its magic. Having said that, those who live in a country and smugly refuse to learn the language are just hurting themselves, really.

Momus - heard your music on the soundtrack for BAMBI BONE, which is playing at the Pia Film Fest now. Interesting film.





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Date: 2005-07-12 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wearstilts.livejournal.com
I think the Trainman is a little bit like you play some kind of tv games, or owning a Tamagocchi.

You stay at home in computer screen and reading 2ch thread. You advise and help the Trainman to move away from his Otaku figure and follow his progress till he wins the girl's heart.
It's not one-to-one correspondence, it was a drama participated by multitude of anonymous on the internet. I don't really care if there had been a script on the Trainman's side or being masterminded behind the scene. The thing is, thread was existed and moved on in real time. Although I've only read the story in some archive sites, I find it's enough entertaining.

It's pretty much representing the Japanese community, they live as "each" and every person, but they are living as a part of society as well.

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Date: 2005-07-12 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mckibillo.livejournal.com
the difference between Marxy and Momus is that if Japan attacked Pearl Harbor again (or re-colonized Manchuria, re-sacked Nanking, or re-enslaved Korea, etc.) Marxy would say "I told you so", and Momus wouldn't utter a peep.

Or if he did, it would all somehow be America's fault; being the big bad hegemon and all.

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Date: 2005-07-12 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Get your hands out of those glove puppets of Marxy and me (although they look more like Rush Limbaugh and Lee Harvey Oswald) and stop living in the 20th century! The Japanese poster above you has been living in the 21st for at least ten years.

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the sun shines out of his behind...

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Date: 2005-07-12 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
Let's see if the old Nihongo works on this computer.

I had the following conversation with some of my students the other day. No, the computer's no accepting my Japanese script, so it will have to be Romaji:

First student: Sensei mo Nihon-rabu desu ka?

Me: Ie, rabu to wa ienai deshou.

Second student: Watashi mo Rondon wa rabu ja nai. 'Don't like' kamoshirenai.

This is typical of my experience. It seems that most of the time the best we can manage is a cynical tolerance of each other as cultures (as individuals things can usually work rather better). I find it depressing, but that's the situation that I experience most of the time, for instance, the Japanese that I know complaining about the lack of vending machines here in Britain, and me thinking "Thank God that this country isn't run by the Japanese, or there'd be vending machines everywhere!" That kind of thing.

It is refreshing when someone really can fall in love with another culture. I heard one of our students saying that she wished she could stay in England longer - she seemed pretty sincere - and I'm so used to mutual cynicism that I was quite surprised. I hope that she doesn't become disillusioned, but I would understand very well if she did.
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hummm...here's an interesting spin on this whole thing. st. nick is fond of brandishing his "bind man" parable, we all know the story, so i won't repeat it here. anyway, i'd just like to point out a chink in the intellectual armor.

here goes: while most of the "blind men" (marxy, myself, and a few thousand others out there) who are, in an effort to try and understand japan as deeply as possible, trying to use ALL of our various "intelligences"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences

nick, on the other hand, has WILLINGLY discarded one of his "intelligences" (verbal-linguistic) and then in an effort to justify this, frequenty questions the "merits" of our "linguistic understandings" of japan.

the problem with this is, by focusing on the relative merits of his virtually senseless ("sans-sense") position, he implies that we AREN'T employing all of our other senses too! well, OF COURSE WE ARE! we are feeling, touching, tasting, smelling, etc. the "sensory" japan just as much as he is, if not more since we are here 24/7 and he is not.

of course, the next logical step for nick at this point, if he wan't to spend his time and energy to salvage this line of reasoning, is to concede my point, and then argue that he is simply more "intelligent" in the sensory areas that he has decided to focus on. this is a moot point, and i will not argue it here.

now if nick were somehow an idiot savant, and were INCAPABLE of speaking another language, or even his native one, then his position would be forgivable. even though his statements sometimes make me up this into question, i'm convinced he is in full possession of his mental faculties. therefore, no sympathy for him, and his whole intellectual edifice build around this parable as a kind of post-modern excuse is a complete sham.

imagine an astrophysicist who decided to throw away his "logical-mathematical intelligence" and decided to focus on exploring the chemical structure of stars with his "body-kinesthetic
intelligence"...or to put things another way: i'm sure IF stephen hawking were CAPABLE of doing just this, he would. sadly, he can't.

nick can no longer make use of this excuse, thank goodness.

now i'm off. bigger "pakura" to fry...

hi-five,
r.
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From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
You know, fuck right off Robert. This point is a very tired one, and I won't be gagged. I understand enough Japanese to follow perfectly well the conversation Quentin reports above.

You manage to alienate a lot of people with your smugness about your own Nihongo skills, you know? A mutual acquaintance told me "What's up with that guy? Within five minutes of meeting him he was insinuating that his Japanese was much better than mine. So competitive! What a pain!" It's not actually very Japanese to boast the way you do. And if you know Japan well, it may not surprise you when I say that many Japanese also prefer gaijin who don't speak their own language well to those who do. Maybe we're more "cute"!

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mucho orientalists!

Date: 2005-07-14 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
not there's anything wrong with it, but Momus you do belong to a large body of its own cliche ("curatorial") spouting Orientalists.

i think you can afford that, and is the case with a lot of especially western fascination with the "East" of various forms is with a certain distance (and especially a lack of knowledge of the language being a big part of that).

I think what somebody like Marxy does is threaten this imagination/fantasy of a place a distance can provide you. But to know a place in more intimate, crawling under the skin, constantly prodding, seeing how its sinews palpitate ways, it's best for you, for the safety of your imaginary ideas, to stay away from places such as Marxy's site.

I have to disagree with Marxy in that perhaps you didn't have a better topic for your daily essay. It seems to be that it does touch a nerve with you.