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There's a growing rift in my family between the introverts and the extraverts, the performers and the observers, the communicators and the non-communicators. Perhaps I should say between those who readily self-mediate and those who don't. Some of us perform ourselves, and some of us protect ourselves. The performers are a bit like Madonna in Truth or Dare, the Madonna of whom Warren Beatty says "She doesn't want to live off camera. Much less talk. There's nothing to say off camera. Why would you say something if it's off camera? What point is there existing?"

I won't say the rift is between openness and defensiveness, because I've read Liam Hudson's book Contrary Imaginations, which divides English schoolboys into divergers and convergers, and I know it's not as simple as that. Divergers, as Hudson describes them, are arty, florid and fiction-friendly, convergers stolid and forever seeking "the one right answer". Divergers want to be interesting, convergers want to be right. But for Hudson these are "rival systems of defense". Both types want to keep themselves protected. They just use different methods. One type talks a lot of entertaining rot, the other keeps schtumm.



The rift in my family is increased by the fact that the quiet ones have to stay extra quiet around the noisy ones because they're constantly aware that anything they say may be taken down and used in evidence against them on the internet, or published in a book (yes, several of us have written books). This blog entry in itself is evidence of the communicators' treachery. If we find something interesting, we simply can't help talking about it. And not just to a few trusted intimates, but to the world at large. We communicators do have the virtue, you see, of being touchingly non-hierarchical. We need an audience, and anyone will do.

I continue to trot out analyses of Chris Morris and Charlie Brooker's Nathan Barley on this ILE thread. The UK's Channel 4 has now broadcast four of the six episodes of this satire on a Hoxton "self-facilitating media node", a kidult whose main goal in life seems to be to get celebrities to make video endorsements of his website, Trashbat dot cock. I suspect that Morris and Brooker's beef with Barley (though it's mixed with a fair bit of admiration) is rather similar to the beef the reticent members of my family have with the noisy ones. But in order to establish Barley's villainy they've often shown him in a rather flattering light. Sure, he's been insufferable. But he's also been inclusive, proactive and entertaining. His nemesis Dan Ashcroft has emerged looking a lot less positive; like Alceste in Moliere's The Misanthrope, Ashcroft finds that his withering scorn of Hoxton "court life" leads only to grumpy misanthropy.

The problem for Ashcroft is also the problem for Morris and Brooker. How to deal with the Barleys of this world -- incessant self-mediators and self-promoters -- without falling into various traps. There's the trap of "dull denial" -- sour dismissal which makes you look more dull than Barley and establishes no viable alternative to his skillful self-mediation. There's the trap of satire, which puts you on the same page as Barley, matching his inventions with satirical counter-inventions every bit as silly. And there's the trap I call zugzwang (the chess term for the compulsion to move... and lose): giving any attention to an attention-seeker hands him victory. Because, while for you a dandy is just a sub-category of dunce, for him a dunce is just a sub-category of dandy. You believe it's possible to be wrong, but he believes it's only possible to be boring.



Morris and Brooker have edged around these traps by setting Barley's self-mediation against a canvas of global atrocity, as if this contrast in itself condemns him (and not the rest of us). The series (like its web progenitor TVGoHome) constantly references massacres, exploitation and atrocities. References to 9/11 abound. Trashbat, Barley's company, is compared to "a couple falling from the World Trade Center, but they're fucking on the way down". Later, terrorist chic re-appears in an animation showing giant space hoppers demolishing the Twin Towers. Animations on the trashbat site reference Vietnam, Barley mimics Hitler, and Ashcroft decries the Sugarape staff's amusement at "that cool e mail of a woman being bummed by a wolf..." (He himself works for a magazine which has shortened its name to Rape, though, and soon we see him winning money on the atrociously cruel online game "Russian Tramp Races", which develops into a bloody tooth pulling contest.)

I thought of this "moral engineering" today while reading an interview in Salon magazine with Thomas De Zengotita about his book Mediated: The Hidden Effects of Media on People, Places, and Things. Rather admirably, Zengotita pulls back from condemning the fakeness and superficiality of mediated post-modern personalities. Sure we're fake, he says, but that in itself isn't a problem. Self-mediation is here to stay, and we should get used to it. In Zengotita's analysis, we're all well on the way to being "self-facilitating media nodes". He could be describing Nathan Barley when he says:

"Everyone's an artist, or a DJ, or something. Wonderful, isn't it? And who's to say what's better art? I like this, you like that, whatever. Isn't this mostly a good thing?... What's the problem?"

But then Zengotita zooms the spotlight out to the very "backdrop of atrocity" that Morris and Brooker use to condemn Barley. He draws a much more benign conclusion, though. Instead of using atrocity and world poverty to declare the ludic Barley a fake and a cunt, he finds the seeds of a solution to world poverty in the luxury available to Barley and his ilk:

"I don't care about us. What really matters is all those people out there dying while we're playing video games and our culture is ignoring them, usually. There's a feeling that mediation is perpetuating the grave injustices in the world. I don't think that has to be the case at all. In principle, I see no reason why it couldn't become enormously fashionable for a whole generation of Western Europeans and Americans to suddenly do something about world poverty. You don't have to do that much to make a serious dent in it. That seems to me to be a conceivable thing to happen, even without finding some authentic way to exist first. You can continue to struggle with the authenticity of your options and performances and still be of concrete assistance."

Interviewer: To me, that's a bit like accepting the artificiality of a role and doing it anyway.

"That might well be a good way to go. I'm a phony and I love it!"



I hardly need to point out that "I'm a phony and I love it" is pretty central to my recent work as Momus. It also seems to me to be the positive side of what America has to offer the world. Interviewed by Index magazine back when I was still living in New York (and before the first Bush election victory, 9/11, and the rest of it), I made a connection between the playfully synthetic and America:

"MOMUS: Here the national mind-set is totally synthetic, and everybody knows it. The American Dream is a thing you plug into when you get here, a common property for all of humanity.
STEVE LAFRENIERE: So, does the "fake folk" idea of your new songs relate to this?
MOMUS: I think fakeness is a democratic value. If you can only be a real folk musician if you have certificates to prove you're poor, or badly educated, or mentally retarded, or slim, fat, or blind, that's an inverted snobbery. Whereas fakeness is a core American value. Here you can be a Jewish folk singer, or a Ukrainian Baptist from Alabama, or any combination of identities — which makes them essentially plastic. A lot of Europeans are terrified of that. I think it's great."

In a recent e mail to a European who also happens to be a member of my family -- a mail written before I'd heard of Zengotita or his mediation book -- I was still banging essentially the same drum (without singing Yankee Doodle Dandy over the top):

"How about if we said that communication is a fiction, rather than a lie? And that it's a creative pleasure to negotiate intimacy by means of a continuously self-edited self-mediation? Is that so terrible? Do we abandon that process just because of some slippery puritan notion of "the truth"?"

In my efforts to whitewash the self-mediators, I don't go as far as Zengotita. I don't say that self-mediation could end world hunger. But, hell, you never know... it seems to work for Bono.

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Date: 2005-03-07 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anarchivist.livejournal.com
as far as self-mediators and "phonies" go, i believe that there's some sort of difference between, say, you and Barley. i haven't determined if it's a difference of degree, or a difference in kind, but i'm inclined to say it's a little of both. in your work, there seems to be a bit of self-awareness in the self-mediation; fake-folk appears to be an aesthetic/performative means to prove that plasticity. you lay it on thick, fully aware of what you're doing and what you're making of yourself. on the other hand, with someone like Barley, there's definitely an awareness - particularly when pointed out - of phoniness, but it's still not something that the phony thinks of on any sort of often basis, other than when she faces a major identity crisis.

self-mediation is a slightly different issue, i think, and comes from a desire to be seen as an exemplary individual in a group of like-minded folks. there's the want to be seen in a particular way, to be sure, but it's not just as a jet-setter - it's as a jet-setter with someone to offer. i think it's really come to a head with things like last.fm and audioscrobbler, in terms of music; you can see what you have in common with other people, but you have your own statistics and suggestions to make such a "community" relevant to your own self-interests.

i've been thinking about this a lot as i've been adapting new gadgetry to my own ends that i've purchased recently, which are two things that self-mediators seem to have in their arsenal of image-creating materiel: my ipod, and my moleskine notebook.

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Date: 2005-03-07 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anarchivist.livejournal.com
a jet-setter with something to offer. pardon this and any other mistakes, as i was trying to calculate a response during my lunchbreak at work.

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Date: 2005-03-07 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Even self-mediators make Freudian slips sometimes... you're after my girlfriend, aren't you?

;-)

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Date: 2005-03-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anarchivist.livejournal.com
i'm after whatever will help me self-mediate the most!

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Date: 2005-03-07 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spoombung.livejournal.com
Setting 'self meditation' (as you call it) against a ironic backdrop of 'bigger' concerns ( H-bombs, world tragedy ,poverty and war, etc)is an old art student trick! God, you couldn't move without seeing this device employed everywhere you went in the eighties. It's just my personal opinion, but on the whole, I always thought that artists who did that made the worst art and the more 'indulgent' or 'meditative' people came up with more interesting stuff. Having said that, I'm a Morris fan, but I don't think it's necessary to rubbish a character by higlighting him against such a backdrop. Is that what he's doing? Unfortuately, I've only caught about 10 minutes of it so far.

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Date: 2005-03-07 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insomnia.livejournal.com
"There's a feeling that mediation is perpetuating the grave injustices in the world. I don't think that has to be the case at all. In principle, I see no reason why it couldn't become enormously fashionable for a whole generation of Western Europeans and Americans to suddenly do something about world poverty."

I doubt it. Such a movement would get unfashionable really quick.

That's not to say that world poverty can't be addressed, but if it does happen, it will be based on a condition of gross excess of production, where it simply makes sense to feed the world's people and turn them into happy consumers.

The real problem isn't world poverty anyway. It's sustainability. World poverty is merely a side effect -- or, as some might argue, a solution -- to a world increasingly less capable of meeting the demands we put on it.

If the world gets unfashionably unliveable (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=507941), it would be interesting to see how self-mediators respond to it. I'd expect more of the same... attempting to not be boring while vaccilating between concern, anger, hopelessness, escapism, and glamorous excess.

Some things don't change so easily, especially when there's money to be made. The acceptable limit is usually what our world can bear... and then some.

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Date: 2005-03-07 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
Posit your most-likely scenario for any of these problems getting marginally improved. Now think about the people who are doing the legwork (or contributing funds, etc.): Can you really make claims with certainty about why they're doing it?

Agreed that fashions are transient; but all activity is a fashion of a sort.

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Date: 2005-03-08 06:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insomnia.livejournal.com
"Agreed that fashions are transient; but all activity is a fashion of a sort."

That said, popular fashions have generally been very poor at advocating the kind of things needed to address many of these problems. Musicians, artists, filmmakers... they're almost invariably isolated from lifestyles that are, for lack of a better word, sustainable. Their careers usually revolve around extensive travel, airports, hotels, the world's major cities. Their success is often proportionate to the simplicity of their message, and their message gets simpler the more popular the message gets.

That said, there is a growing "fashion" for things like gardening, sustainability, and DIY, most likely in response to the world we find ourselves in, which is giving people plenty of reasons to escape. It is, perhaps, a kind of anti-fashion, in that for those most dedicated, it encourages a certain degree of "dropping out" of society, and learning how to live off the land. I can't tell you how many people I know slave away in the high tech world in the hope that they can one day get a nice place in the country, living off of the grid... but still using the latest technology to bring them high-speed internet connectivity, ideally to telecommute.

Definitely a demographic not particularly well-represented by the latest fashions, I'd think.

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Date: 2005-03-08 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
Definitely a demographic not particularly well-represented by the latest fashions, I'd think.

Depends on your immersive tribe, though largely I agree with you on this too.

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Date: 2005-03-08 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I'm very much against the idea of dropping out. I think it's a Western delusion, the idea that there's a place "outside society". It leads to Unabombers and Wacos. Watered down, it creates the suburbs. I'm much more interested in the idea that we should bring virtue into the system than take virtue out of it. I like the Japanese idea that we're completely social, integrated, public creatures, and that we must encode positive values (whether it's good diet, public transport, energy efficiency, or whatever) in our social behaviour, and in our public life in cities. That means abandoning stuff like "guilty pleasures", abandoning selfish assholism and drug addiction and middle class flight and social stratification and its attendant disrespect for others. Even abandoning monotheism, perhaps!

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Date: 2005-03-08 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
Very urban-centric, since probably the majority of the earth's population does not live in cities, but I can sympathize with the longing you describe above, as well as the practically-minded overview offered by [livejournal.com profile] insomnia.

I think (as usual) that there are degrees to this kind of thing. Are your pants pockets a private space? Your bedroom? Your private, vocal-recording moments? Or maybe what you mean is that the self-important sense of entitlement many people feel towards their property and privacy are the culprit in the toxic social miasma. We cannot deny sociability completely, it is true, but also we cannot deny the personal, perceptual subjectivity that necessarily separates areas of our interest from the interests of others, even on such a small scale and when we might otherwise agree with each other, which I still think is worth holding onto. In fact, we are not solely socially-oriented creatures at all, though obviously we live and function in groups (for quite specific evolutionary reasons, it could be pointed out; minus notions of instrinsic rights and wrongs when it comes to bald survival in the wild) and this does not have to entail selfishness, as a certain amount of respect for the privacy of others is entailed in this egalitarian notion of fitting into the stream and smoothing the fabric of the societal tablecloth. I think there's a certain amount of comparison with animal populations and studies of social behaviors that may not necessarily scale to every situation we encounter, in spite of our wishes to apply our learning to solving each problem that is set in front of us. In any case, it is quite easy for us to build up constructions of words and then succumb to our kneejerk, appalled reactions when reality mocks our attempts to regulate its progress.

Overcrowding in Tokyo probably has some bearing on the social situation there, for good or for ill, no? As leaves branch out into familar patterns.

It's fascinating to read of this 'opting in' or 'opting out' of many of these stipulated social practices, as the workable contexts for most are flatly inaccessible to me -- regardless of my theoretical motivations to 'fit into' them, or my altruistic intentions to conform to such admirable standards -- here in the rural-midwestern United States. Interestingly, the very same hatcheries from which the soldiers that enforce the current world economic order are plucked from.

In high school my life was threatened by a school administration official because of something I wrote on a piece of paper.

And I shall fit in, or perish!






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Date: 2005-03-07 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hello-sailor.livejournal.com
Are you talking about your real family or a family of your different selves?

In my family, there's just one extrovert and the rest are introverts, I guess. I think what you were saying about the power struggle and the risk of falling into traps is nice. It feels very, very familiar.

I have used LJ to talk about something and the extroverted family member read the entry and got mad. Now I've reassessed the way I see LJ. I try not to talk about anything private (though I do cave in sometimes and use the 'friends' filter). I also don't think LJ is non-hierarchal to the extreme. One person sets up the context of the discussion and people can only really stay within that context or a context that relates, even if only by a little string. Plus: Lyn Hejinian thinks the internet a gossip-ridden world. That's quite not ecriture feminine.

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Date: 2005-03-08 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Are you talking about your real family or a family of your different selves?

Oh, my real family. I mean, it's not like we're feuding or anything. I've just noticed that we all get more like ourselves as we get older, and that means diverging personal styles, and a certain mistrust between the camps. Generally, though, I'd say we all get along very well.

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Date: 2005-03-07 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
Do all (most; many) non-loud people fall into your encapuslation of 'introvert' ? Do you think overt, constant attempts at communication (relevant to current activity or no) is an essential component of 'progress' ?

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Date: 2005-03-07 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cataptromancer.livejournal.com
"I'm a phony and I love it!" -- is this similar to Zizek's idea of 'cynical belief'?

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Date: 2005-03-08 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mckibillo.livejournal.com
"How about if we said that communication is a fiction, rather than a lie? And that it's a creative pleasure to negotiate intimacy by means of a continuously self-edited self-mediation? Is that so terrible? Do we abandon that process just because of some slippery puritan notion of "the truth"?"

Of which this blog is a perfect example. And it's very entertaining. And excellent.

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Date: 2005-03-08 01:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"How about if we said that communication is a fiction, rather than a lie? And that it's a creative pleasure to negotiate intimacy by means of a continuously self-edited self-mediation? Is that so terrible? Do we abandon that process just because of some slippery puritan notion of "the truth"?"

Of which this blog is a perfect example. And it's very entertaining. And excellent.

-mckibillo

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robotar.livejournal.com
Ah! The real question is, "What is fake?" Is the recent Momus work "fake"? Or could you simply hold that by some other standard, it's more real than anything else? Of course there should be no universal standard. It's ridiculous to think there could be one. And underlying it all is the notion of language as power-- even in using terms like "real" or "fake"-- exactly what you seem to be hinting around in your penultimate paragraph.

And forgive me, I've spent the last 3.5 hours in lecture (first Angela Davis, then learning about Germany's transition from dictatorship to democracy).

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revenge-my-love.livejournal.com
4th dimension, let's go.
Quit bitching about his post.

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Date: 2005-03-08 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
"The world exists no longer, but nothing has replaced it. Or if it exists, it is in an inaccessible, interior exile"
- Girardin

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Date: 2005-03-08 10:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi Momus

There's an interesting (if not entirely successful) story by George Saunders (http://www.georgesaundersland.com/") in the March issue of Harpers, called 'Brad Carrigan, American' which may well be grist to this particular mill. It's certainly about self-mediation and atrocity. Check it out.

JtN

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Date: 2005-03-08 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Ha, I just read his Manifesto (http://slate.msn.com/id/2105672/) on Slate. I used to perform a less political version of this in my student writing group. It was a long list of things that didn't happen. But instead of ending with "resistance is futile", my last line was "In fact, quite the opposite was the case."

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Date: 2005-03-08 11:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, the Wildean dandy replaces the truth/untruth binary with the interesting/boring one. And one thing that is never interesting is cliché*. And art that screams "I'm a phony and I love it!" has become one of the major clichés of our time. That's not to say it isn't "true" - but the dandy has already established that the "truth" is irrelevant or at best not enough. And I'm not saying that there isn't a significant number of people out there who are still heavily invested in notions of authenticity. But they aren't the audience. They're not the people who go to trendy art galleries and maybe even buy Momus records. Those people have already interiorised potmodernism and don't need to be loudly reminded of it.

The onset of postmodernism in popular culture may have been in the sixties but its highwater moment comes in the eighties - a moment when the art crowd turns from the ponderous works of people like Richard Long or Sol Lewitt to those of Jeff Koons. When British pop culture celebrated the artificial in synths and New Romanticism, when fashion became parodically extreme with big hair, big suits and big shoulder pads. When Salman Rushdie and Martin Amis ruled literature, unreliable narrators were fashionable, linear narrative was to be eschewed and everyone read that Calvino novel. When Peter Greenaway was considered good.

But that was a long time ago. And it seems to me that the challenge now is to create an art for people who have interiorised those lessons, and who don't need to be told them any more, who find it "boring" to see/hear yet another work of art/piece of music whose intent doesn't seem to go much further than proclaiming its own fakeness. What happens when the fake/authentic binary is truly collapsed? Surely there is by then no point in celebrating the fake category of fakeness any more? Surely we need something new for the generation/mentality that totally accepts the postmodern argument?

*which is in itself interesting, because it signals that it is not content that is interesting but the way it is used.

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Date: 2005-03-08 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Well, you're saying that pomo is old hat, that I'm preaching to the choir, that fake-and-proud is a cliche, and so on. But I think you've missed what's interesting in this entry, which is the idea that self-mediation will just get more and more self-conscious, and filter down to more and more people... and that this is not a bad or a good thing, but just inevitable. What's really fresh about Zengotita's analysis, I think, is the idea that this process of ever-widening mediation doesn't end with sophisticated Western audiences. He envisions a world where everyone is a "foolish tourist", a consumer faced with a myriad of plastic choices in a vast food court. He thinks that if the choice is between that scenario (imagine Senegalese Nathan Barleys with headset cellphones) and starvation and poverty, it's a no-brainer: we have to choose to expand mediation to everyone. Now, we may find pomo and mediation terribly 80s. But for Senegal, it's terribly 2020. Why should we kick away the ladder, just because we're getting bored with these memes?

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Date: 2005-03-08 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
TVGoHome was amazing! Nathan Barley is just utter pants. i was looking forward to it thinking it was gonna be like TVGoHome, but alas after 15 minutes of the first episode and being totally digusted, i turned off and i cant even bare to watch the trailers so i change channel when they come on.

Bernard Manning

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Date: 2005-03-08 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, I think you've slightly missed my point. Yes, the postmodern paradigm shift has largely yet to happen in Senegal, and no doubt it will to varying degrees, and there will be a whole cultural framework to encompass that. But here in the West, and more specifically among the young, culturally-aware people who consume art, music, pop culture etc. in the big cities, the paradigm shift has indeed occurred. And it happened a long time ago, before a lot of those culture consumers were even born. And for them, bog-standard in-yer-face pomo is not particularly interesting. And I'm interested in how the post-pomo world will shape up. I'm not sure that it will be more of the same. People's predictions of the future are always exaggerations of the present and often turn out to be wrong, since the unexpected left turns of culture are a priori impossible to predict. Self-mediation will proliferate because technology allows it, but don't be so sure that it will be any sort of zeitgeisty focus in 20 years' time.

That book on mediation sounds interesting, but I'm not at all convinced you can causatively spin off the mediated consumer culture he's talking about from the wider problems of the third world.

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Date: 2005-03-08 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Also, one interesting point about that interview is that De Zengotita attacks the Left, but by using one of the academic Left's main props of the past 20 years, ie French theory. Because his ideas are pretty similar to Baudrillard's, only Baudrillard goes on to join up the dots with "hyper-capitalism", which is exactly the part De Zengotita rejects. It seems the Right, which has traditionally scoffed French Theory and Baudrillard in particular (cf the derision he got for his article La Guerre du Golfe n'a pas eu lieu), has now decided to embrace Theory for its own ends.

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I don't think he attacks the left. He says the left has to choose between its distaste for Disneyfication and its concern for global justice:

"It would be very interesting to find out what would happen to what remains of the left if their attacks on global corporate culture and Disneyfication could be separated from their concern for the misery of the millions of people who are exploited by or left out of globalization."

That is a paradox in the anti-globalism movement. Their hatred of their own culture often blinds these people to the fact that many people would choose Disneyfied lifestyles if they could. We kick away the ladder, as if to say "Trust me, you wouldn't like the plastic world we have. Keep suffering in noble poverty."

Also, de Zengotita does identify liberalism as an imperialist project: "I think that's essentially what liberalism is becoming -- a liberal imperial vision of bringing what we've got in the West to everybody, though of course in a multicultural sort of way."

He writes for Bloomsbury and teaches at NYU, hardly dens of right-wing thought.

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Date: 2005-03-08 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
He's a member of the American liberal intelligensia, that's for sure, but there are some pretty trojan-horse implications in that interview. The "liberal imperial vision of bringing what we've got in the West to everybody" seems a strange thing for you to endorse Momus. How do you feel about the disneyfication of Asia? The "liberal imperial vision" may indeed seem seductive to the poor and powerless, but only because it's their only route out of poverty and powerlessness.

Also, he emphatically denies that mediation, and the whole consumer ethos that underpins it, has anything to do with "perpetuating the grave injustices of the world." He doesn't see the interconnectedness, and it's exactly that kind of dissasociation that the Right is always trying to make.

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Date: 2005-03-08 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Well, I agree with you up to a point. I'm not too worried about the Disneyfication of Asia, because I've seen how the Japanese make Disneyland a part of their own very particular postmodernism. In fact, Tokyo Disneyland feels somehow more "at home" than any other branch, more suited to the surrounding culture (whimsical, tender-minded, gentle, fantastical).

I think he does see globalist interconnectedness, just not in a negative light. Personally, I'm rather a 90s-style globalist; I want a level trading field, and I see the biggest losers from that equality being the developed nations, who can't compete with the low cost of labour and raw materials in the developing world. It's not consumerism per se that's the enemy, but unfairness, unsustainability, and so on.

By the way, I've now blogged this same topic over on Design Observer (http://www.designobserver.com). Let's see what all those confectioners of consumerism's creamiest treats feel about this!

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Date: 2005-03-10 12:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
catering to the kind of people who go to art galleries and buy momus records sure is old, even for momus himself i'd say

The spectacle of misery

Date: 2005-03-08 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugpowered.livejournal.com

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Comme toute idéologie le spectacle (le médiatique) a pour mission de dissimuler la négation effective de la vie qui, sans cela, risquerait de devenir visible. Au besoin, le spectacle (le médiatique) insiste complaisamment sur des négations de la vie bien sanglantes, en un mot bien spectaculaires, massacres, camps de concentration, chambres à gaz, génocides, guerres locales, charniers, ce qu�il faut bien appeler des détails face à la généralité et à la permanence de la véritable et universelle négation de la vie qui demeure secrète. Celle là, on ne la verra jamais à la télévision. (J�emprunte le mot détail à M. Le Pen. J�espère qu�il ne va pas me réclamer de droits d�auteur. Ce n�est qu�une juste compensation après le plagiat universel de mon titre Reich, mode d�emploi qui est certainement le titre le plus plagié dans toute l'histoire de la littérature.) M. Lévy, [Bernard Henry] flanqué de l�inévitable James Bond girl, grand amateur de ce genre de détails édifiants, est l�un de ces agents de désinformation très actifs du Maussade (voilà donc pourquoi il ne sourit jamais sur ses photos !) La négation effective de la vie, ce qui nie effectivement la vie, demeure invisible, secret. Et pour cause, c�est la vie même qui nie la vie, l�esprit qui nie l�esprit, la communication qui nie la communication. Si la négation de la vie devenait visible, le problème serait résolu immédiatement. Quand les dix mille hoplites (hélas, ils n'étaient plus que cinq mille alors) voulaient déposer un de leurs officiers, trois cents d�entre eux se baissaient et ramassaient une pierre, et cela suffisait si l�on en croit Xénophon. La phénoménologie de l�esprit n�est pas un spectacle.

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Date: 2005-03-08 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is unrelated, but I thought you'd be interested in reading the first review of Otto Spooky that I've seen. Positive too!

http://www.adequacy.net/review.php?reviewid=5210

Patrick

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Date: 2005-03-08 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
Has anyone noticed how reviews tend to take a boring checklist format these days?

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hans-lucas.livejournal.com
I wrote that review. Forgive the formula approach as I have just started writing album reviews. I enjoyed the album and have become a fan of Nick (and his music) because of it.

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I didn't mind that song-by-song format because it made it clear how diverse the songs were.

Patrick

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
Well, it was bound to happen. Sorry if I have caused offense. It's just something I've noticed. I understand why it's become such a common format in the sense that it can be the easiest way to lay out the content of a piece of work - particularly an album - for the readers.

I suppose I made the observation because I have been involved in writing for some years now and noticed this review format becoming more popular until now it seems that, particularly on the internet and in the small press, it is pushing out more creative ways of writing reviews.

I say this as someone who has had his own work reviewed. I found that the most favourable reviews were not always the best written, though sometimes that happy combination did occur. I really wanted to review my reviewers, as Burroughs did his, but held back from it because there was not really much of an audience for that, and because I found I would have to be harshest with some of my best reviews. Ho hum.

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Date: 2005-03-08 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hans-lucas.livejournal.com
qscrisp -

No offense taken at all! I humbly appreciate your review of my review. It's not like you put a mob contract out on my life.

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Date: 2005-03-08 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
Thank you. You're a gentleman.

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Date: 2005-03-08 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
By the way, I felt the need to add that, reading this post, and reading your review, a great many things went through my mind, most of which were more interesting than the comment that I finally decided - for some reason - to post. I would agree with you, for instance, that there is a kind of individual tenacity to the different tracks on the album that tends to pull you in very different directions from track to track. Perhaps one of the benefits of the intermezzo parts is that they facilitate the transition between tracks that would otherwise seem very disparate indeed. I'm actually quite a fan of this kind of picture-book eclecticism, though it often results in pieces that some people will feel unable to suspend their disbelief for. An example of this, for me, is Cockle Pickers. As a concept it sounds so preposterous that it just shouldn't work, and yet, perhaps because of that tenacity you mention, in this case I really believe it does work quite impressively. In fact, I think I admire art most when it accomplishes this kind of feat.

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Date: 2005-03-08 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://www.designobserver.com/archives/000582.html

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Date: 2005-03-10 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowblue.livejournal.com
I came over here to tell you about the interview, and various other bits of de Zengotita's writing, because it's great, and of course you've found it already.

The other bits:
The Numbing of the American Mind (http://web.ionsys.com/~remedy/Numbing%20of%20the%20American%20Mind.htm)
and
Closure for you, Jedermensch ein Übermensch (http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.1/de_zengotita.htm). (based on a (the final?) chapter of Mediation.)

Really excellent makes-you-think stuff, and not quite as (heh) mediated as the interview. I am glad I've decided to quit deluding myself into thinking I'm a Science sort of guy and to go to some nice university in Vancouver for humanities courses. Now as long as they let me in...

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Date: 2005-03-16 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waited4thisday.livejournal.com
self meditation could make us more like we already are. Pussies who always want to escape who we really are. eat shit plato.