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The response to yesterday's entry, Exit this Roman shell, was overwhelming. Over a hundred comments, many poems, people talking movingly about big existential choices, their future, their disgust and despair at the way things have turned out.

Some disagreed with my 'just walk away' message, saying that in difficult times the thing to do is stay and fight. Others were looking seriously into their exile options. Well, Harper's magazine has just published Electing To Leave, a sombre and sobering guide to the real options Americans considering exile have. It's worth a read. As is this article about Canada's attitude to political refugees from south of the border. But don't let these reality checks put you off. They mostly focus on red tape and money. What Harper's doesn't point out is that you can leave in a much more sly, Shweikian way, leave with a foot in the door, leave for a while, using tourist visas or study programs. Living abroad, forever, according to the rules, is complicated, troublesome and expensive. But if you don't mind living abroad for a while, in a twilit hinterland of legal ambiguities, protected by a cat's cradle of stretched rules, keeping your options open, you can get away with it much more easily. And it may cost you less to live abroad than it does to stay at home.



Some people said that walking away from a problem is not the way to solve it. My response to that is, why should someone else's problem be my problem? We all have the right to choose the 'dialectical backdrop' of our lives. To choose what thesis to be the antithesis to. That's why it's important not to let other people's problems set your agenda. You've got to find your own. The danger today is that quite a small group of religious, resentful, educationally-deprived rural people, the 53 million who voted for Bush, seek to set the intellectual agenda for the whole world. They want their problems to become ours. And their problems, as far as they see it, are mostly cultural ones. They have problems with things like abortion, irreligion, homosexuality and liberalism. The more they suffer poverty, the more these people vote for governments which enrich the already-rich. The more they follow religion, the more they put themselves in the firing line of other religions, while ignoring religious tenets such as 'thou shalt not kill' and 'turn the other cheek'.

In today's Guardian, Jonathan Friedland puts it like this:

'Many Bush voters admitted their unhappiness on Iraq and confessed to great economic hardship - two issues which ordinarily would be enough to defeat an incumbent. But these voters backed Mr Bush, because he reflected something they regarded as even more important: their values. Those values can be boiled down to issues - abortion, guns, gays - but they represent a larger, cultural difference. One Republican analyst asks people four questions. Do you have a friend or relative serving in the military? Do you have any personal ties to rural America? Do you attend religious services on a weekly basis? Do you own a gun? Answer yes to most or all of those, and you are "a cultural conservative" and most likely vote Republican. Answer no, and the chances are you live on the east or west coast and vote Democrat. In 2000 this cultural split was dead-even: 50-50 America. This time it was 51-49 America, with the conservatives in the majority. Put plainly, the US is moving steadily and solidly to the right. That poses a problem for Democrats, who have to learn to speak to the people of those red states if they are ever to hold power again. But it also poses a problem for America, which has somehow to house two radically diverging cultures in one nation. And it may even pose a problem for the rest of the world's peoples, as they watch the sole superpower, the indispensable nation, chart a course they fear - and barely understand.'



Can blue America dialogue with red America? Sure they speak the same language, but will people with such different cultural values listen to each other? Can the stupid listen to the smart without smarting? Can the urban listen to the rural without sneering? What if the red staters already feel the 'urban elites' have lectured them too much? What if they feel they have power, through their self-proclaimed representative in the White House, and therefore don't need to listen to the 'liberals' ever again? The boot is on the other foot now, the donkey rides the man.

'A military giant yoked uncomfortably to a political dwarf', is how Mark Danner describes Bush's America. The political domination of the advanced blue states by the backward red ones now amounts to an extreme case of 'taxation without representation'. The insecure outsiders who complain about 'metrosexuals' and the 'left-leaning media' are firmly established as a new -- and moronic -- sort of elite themselves. But the whole thing is dangerously unbalanced. Because the fact is that education not only tends to lead to liberalism, it also leads to wealth creation. The economy does better under Democrats. It's liberals who generate the lion's share of the ideas, the products, the services, and the wealth that gives Bush's America its world status. Cut off from its blue coasts and its Democratic-voting big cities, America would rank somewhere behind South Korea in the league table of world nations.

That's why I think exile -- if only temporary -- is now the best option for liberal Americans. Travelling the world is a splendid thing to do, and a mass exodus of intelligent life from the US would quickly show the red staters who makes the money that pays for their president's wars. Depressingly, whereas the choice for America on Tuesday was Bush or Kerry, the choice for America now may be between two forms of bankruptcy: the kind Bin Laden described in last week's video, when he said he wanted to provoke Bush into calamitously expensive wars to undermine the US as he'd undermined the USSR in Afghanistan, or the bankruptcy that follows a mass evacuation of disenchanted liberals who feel that their way of living and thinking has become unfeasible in a country swinging ever-further towards moronic and murderous right-wing populism.

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Date: 2004-11-04 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
The polls paint a different picture. They portray Bush supporters as completely uninformed about the issues and Bush and Kerry's stances on them.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_9_29_04.html

There are many that show the same thing, but the PIPA poll is well regarded.

The Kerry supporters were fairly correct about his views and positions. My co-worker, a post-grad and one of the only Bush supporters in my office, was completely mistaken with about half of Pres. Bush's policies (for one, she thought that Kerry was for privatizing Social Security).

Face it, religion played a bigger role in this election than anyone could have imagined. Facts didn't seem to matter; neither did the economy or the war.

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Date: 2004-11-04 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qualities.livejournal.com
facts have almost never mattered in any american election, and religion has always played a role. i tend to think that its not so much the religion (for the majority of conservatives, at least) but rather its the ethics of christianity. and in the realm of ethics, as opposed to pure faith, discussion is definitely possibile.

in any event, i live in boston and john kerry has been my senator all my life. i hated him before he ran, and i didnt much like him when i cast my vote for him. whats more, im fairly well educated and follow the political debate in this country as it evolves. but despite that, i really dont know what john kerrys policies were. other than platitudes and things that were obvious, i based most of my ideas of what hed do in office on presumtions. that, sadly, is how politics works in this country.

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Date: 2004-11-04 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
I don't disagree with most of what you say, but the polls show a populace that was clearly WRONG about basic things. A large majority got Pres. Bush's policies COMPLETELY BACKWARDS.

What happened yesterday is a new occurence. A large majority of Bush supporters felt that the economy was on the wrong track. A large amount of Bush supporters felt that the Iraq War was going poorly. However, the biggest issue in exit polls was "faith issues."

People were willing to overlook the economy and the war on terror because of faith issues.

When has that ever been the case? Perhaps Reagan? The religious right had a large say in Reagan's presidency, but most people LIKED and UNDERSTOOD Reagan's policies, and most people got them right in the polls. Most people got Clinton's policies right. And although Kerry was woefully unspecific, most people got his general policies right. People got Bush's policies completely wrong. They think he's for things that he's completely against. I can't stress that enough.

Also, well over 50% still believe that WMDs were found in Iraq. About half still believe that there is a connection between Saddam and 9/11. You can't blame this on the press and you can't really blame it on Fox News. This is something else.

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Date: 2004-11-04 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qualities.livejournal.com
well that is a very good point, and im not completely sure of how to respond. the only thing that i can think of, really, is the confusion of the media as well as the repetetive drumbeat of LIES LIES LIES. after all, if youre someone inclined to have confidence in dick cheney, it would be hard to ignore the fact that he said, time and again, that we had found weapons of mass destruction, that there was a link between iraq and 9/11. this is all i can think of, even though, from my eyes, it was simply not possible to take seriously anything he said.

again, though, this is not the same as stupidity or religious fundamentalism. its really poor insight, a lack of investigative creativity, and a lack of healthy skepticism. i just cant bring myself to believe that half o this country is just plain stupid - despite the fact that i find myself fighting off the notion every day - because if that were the case, then all hope is lost. all of it.

i suppose that theres definitely a dialectic shift at work here, and history is still unfolding into weird shapes even now. but, i mean, i cant just chalk it all up to sheer stupidity. nothing is ever that simple, i hope.

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Date: 2004-11-04 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daney.livejournal.com
get ready to lose yr hope. it's not that the Red State people are stupid, it's that they have been utterly manipulated by the Republican-industrial complex to the point where they can't even consider voting for their own economic interests. this is a totally fucked situation and it isn't going to go away in four years.

"What's the Matter with Kansas?"

Date: 2004-11-05 07:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805073396/qid=1099638868/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8290494-3770552?v=glance&s=books

Saw an interview with the author of this book on a somewhat major Milwaukee tv station. Strange that they felt they needed to have an opposing view from a 'high-ranking' ex-Bush campaign member that had nothing to do with the author spout out with the interviewer and interviewed. ...followed by clips of more opposing views. They propped with man up just to shoot him down. ..and only a few days before the election...too bad Bush still lost here in Wisconsin. The author, not sure if jokingly or not, mentioned his next book to be the converse reaction of the rich leaning Republican in opposition to their interests; "What's the Matter with Connecticut?"

Re: "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

Date: 2004-11-05 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daney.livejournal.com
yes, Thomas Frank, editor of The Baffler, and in my opinion the best person to explain this particular political situation. i haven't read "What's the Matter with Kansas" but i have read "One Market Under God" and it touches on similar themes. i would have liked to have seen that interview; Frank doesn't get a lot of attention from the mainstream media. i'd be very, very interested in a book called "What's the Matter with Connecticut?" (though Connecticut isn't exactly a G.O.P. stronghold, even in the high-income, suburban areas; my theory is that the only rich Northeasterners who still vote Republican are those involved with Wall Street)

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Date: 2004-11-04 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xchimx.livejournal.com
urban republicanism is an anomaly. you come from a rural area.. you know why they vote conservative. it doesn't have to do with 'em being "stupid" as momus offensively put it. blame the democratic party for being so hopelessly out of touch with their labor vote. they're the only ones at fault.

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Date: 2004-11-05 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
Honestly I don't remember why people are conservative anymore. I ran away from that shit as fast as I could. I didn't like the religion, the xenophobia, the social hothouse of small towns, and the total nihilism and despair.

What I do remember was a complete distrust of politicians and a (correct) view that the people had been abandoned for moneyed interests.

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