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Are you visually original? Are you an outsider in one group and a conformist in another? Do you send and receive messages based on your understanding of recently-updated information from trusted sources? Are you interested not in uniting humanity into one big lukewarm gloop but in separating it out into lots of different groups? Do you dress to please the boys?

I'm interested in lots of stuff about clothes. First of all, the right side of my brain just loves to see certain colours and shapes in a balanced composition with others. But the left side of my brain isn't asleep while this sensory data is being processed. The left brain chimes in with cultural pattern recognition. 'Ah, that's interesting, I thought that Flashdance style was dead and rotten,' says smartarse Left Brain, 'but apparently it's back, all fresh 'n' lickettysplit. And what happens now,' continues baggy-ass trendy Left Brain, 'is going to be interesting. Some people will feel a repulsion they can't overcome. Some will feel a nostalgia which makes them welcome the style back. Some will be too young or too naive to know what the hell the reference is, but will buy into it because it's fashionable. And most will neither know nor care. They'll be thinking about something completely different. Sex. The presidential election. Problems at work.'

There's nothing wrong with being divisive, with wearing clothes that express your 'difference'. It's not an unfriendly act! Because we're aiming for a world in which people can accept and enjoy differences, aren't we? A world where people are divided in diversity rather than united in conformity, right? Where there are big, safe differences -- differences conducive to respect -- rather than small, dangerous ones (those pesky Minor Differences Freud warned us start wars), right? And yet people still feel uncomfortable about their perceived divergence from perceived norms. Perhaps more so now than ever. I've noticed a lot of Middle Eastern people recently wearing American baseball gear at airports, as if to say 'Listen, I may not look like you, but I think like you. I am not trying to be different, because I realise that if I dressed 'differently' from you, you might assume I'm hostile to your culture. I think and dress like you. Please don't send me for a special security interview. I'm just trying to get home. Thank you.'

Our anxious Middle Eastern-looking man is probably also wearing denim, because, as Fashion UK News reports in an article entitled 'Denim Democracy', denim is 'the world's most democratic fabric'.

Of course, 'dressing to fly' is a special case. Mostly we don't dress to pass through security checks or to affirm our belief in 'democracy' (just so you don't give it to us with surgical strikes). We don't, in other words, dress to appease angry authority. No, we dress for our peer group, our friends, our potential mates. The same assemblage of signs that expresses our solidarity with our peers and lovers also expresses our difference from those we don't feel close to and are not keen to fuck. We align ourselves with some at exactly the same moment that we differentiate ourselves from others. We make ourselves available to some whilst removing ourselves from the orbit of others, and all with our clothes. It's political, but micro-political. I'm with you guys, not those guys over there. You can have me, they can't.

Sometimes this 'I'm with smart, not stupid' solidarity / differentiation thing is about age, or class, or culture. Sometimes it's about district. 'The arrondissement dresses the man,' they say in Paris. Menswear designer Thomas Maier, talking about Paris, explains: ''Each neighborhood reflects a different lifestyle, from those Chesterfield coats that pepper the 8th district to the hip-hop kids in Les Halles and the Marais, to cool St. Germain-des-Près.''

If district isn't dictating your style, then age is. Julie Alleman, a marketing bod at Paris pret-a-porter store Who's Next, says kids are extremely fashion-conscious:

'Boys are much more into brands while girls are interested in style, in the silhouette. But boys spend just as much as, and sometimes more than, girls. They reveal some consistency in their purchases. At a time when girls are trying to emphasize their femininity, the boys are looking into sports brands like the sacrosanct triptych Adidas-Nike-Reebok, or brands like Fila, Puma, Diesel, Quicksilver, Oxbow, which go to the top of the class and stay there right through to the end of adolescence. Rap, skate, street, r'n'b, gothic... kidswear suggests above all a manner of being, a statement about spirit as well as about belonging to a tribe.' While 'kidults' or 'adulescents' are trying to look ironically childlike, kids are trying to look mature, adult. Which is just as well, because adolescents hate to see their style being copied.



The latest fashion news from Japan varies according to what district of Tokyo you're looking at. Personally, I always check Daikanyama first. Despite my recent posting about Shibuya-kei being back, there's still a large amount of chromophobia on Japanese streets. There are also lots of 'kidults'. Look at the girl on the left's Start-Rite sandals. The girl on the right is on Omotesando. I like her more formal, pageboy, pierrot-like look. The pierrot is an 80s archetype I feel has been left behind in the rush to ironic versions of early Madonna / Cyndi-Lauper / Flashdance pomo style (lots of accessories, deliberately trashy animal prints, leg-warmers, 50s-in-the-80s references). Harajuku is pretty ignorable right now, attuned to crappy old camo style, hip hop and visual kei clutter. Shibuya is doing flat caps and what I think of as 'Boy London' style (black'n'silver, crowns'n'crests). This stuff is also chromophobic; no nice colour combinations for hungry Right Brain here. People just aren't doing the colour thing at all.

Neither are Osaka fashion avant gardists Cosmic Wonder. Their jeans line is a series of white and pastel cotton ensembles with baggy bum pouches. (Plus some jeans with the same thing going on.) I'm more interested in their experimental 'nightwear for daytime' line, a series of pajamas and sleeping bags to be used for impromptu daytime sleeping. Anywhere, anytime! Very Slow Life! London-based Swedish designer Ann-Sofie Back also avoids colour, though she has some interesting eyepatch-style glasses in her Spring/Summer 2005 Lookbook.

Shift's 'Girls on the Street' archive this month is in London, where they've discovered some much more colourful Asian girls. (Why is it that Japanese abroad ditch the beige first thing they do? Is it because they tend to be art, design and fashion students, and therefore inherently less chromophobic?)



I like the way the girl on the left chains her jacket instead of buttoning it, the semi-transparent layered butterfly blouse she's wearing. (Marks off for the ciggy, though.) The girl on the right looks a bit up herself, but has made a good effort, especially with the colour-co-ordinated eye shadow. (Marks off for the boots, though.)

So, to sum up, the hot fashion memes this season, as far as I can see, are:

* Toned-down Flashdance style.
* Black and white stripes.
* Flat caps in light colours with loud houndstooth patterns etc.
* Trousers with something hangy-pouchy going on at the ass.
* Legwarmers.

And for the feet, chucks are still it. Though I'm personally favouring white Birkenstock sandals worn over black socks. And yellow flip flops are good.

Of course, there are still lots of people still swimming in the Redneck chic currents of yesteryear. I refer you to this photo that went up on someone's LJ today.

Vice magazine is doing some sterling work this month in its Worst Issue Ever, a satire on other magazines which includes several spoof fashion articles which might help to shame people out of their fashion complacency. There's a hip hop fashion spoof, a Guerilla Makeover and a deliberately evil and moronic set of Dos and Don'ts. I liked this comment left below the Don'ts by someone called 'Juvenal':

'I laughed at the cruelty of these because it's taboo -- and yet totally normal -- to see losers as losers. Then I thought about the humanity of putting homeless and poor people as 'Donts' in an issue which is The Worst Issue Ever. It's inexcusable -- and also totally normal -- to treat the excluded with this contempt. The Donts page is a satire which reveals the savagery of a 'totally normal' response to social exclusion. This page is also an effective response to haters of hip redneck style. It effectively says 'The alternative to putting poor people on a pedestal is hating them and leaving them in the gutter.' The moronic celebrity-worshipping Dos were the perfect corollary. The reason people are angry and disappointed about these Dos and Donts is that they're devastatingly on-target social commentary. And the laughs are uncomfortable ones.'

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Date: 2004-10-16 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whatgloom.livejournal.com
It's interesting how the majority of people posting in the comments (Vice) don't seem to get the subversive nature of this month's issue. Or maybe they're being ironic?

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Date: 2004-10-16 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I think most of them are being mo'ironic.

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Date: 2004-10-16 08:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You're a bit fucking behind with those style-tips. Wasn't that 3 years ago? And don't tell me the trend has recycled itself already. Maybe you should study the Fall 04 or Summer 05 collections for more subtle fashion trends (fabric, cutting, draping) - rather than write a post about the biggest fashion trend gone mainstream in the last five years (since hip-hop).

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Date: 2004-10-16 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Actually there is a link to the Spring / Summer 2005 collection of one designer, Ann-Sofie Back. But mostly I'm looking at street fashion. The photos in this entry were all shot and posted in the last month, so you'll have to complain to the citizens of Tokyo and London that they're 'sooooo 3 years ago'.

Re: Tokyo is behind

Date: 2004-10-16 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Tokyo is so 3 years ago. I keep trying to tell everyone this, but people seem to be convinced that all Japanese kids being into fashion somehow equals them all being into the "right" fashion. This is no longer true.

marxy

Re: Tokyo is behind

Date: 2004-10-17 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Tips on what 'the right fashion' is, perhaps, on Marxy's blog (http://pliink.com/mt/marxy/), folks.

Re: Tokyo is behind

Date: 2004-10-17 07:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i put the word "right" in quotations, because clearly, there is a line of distinction created by the fashion world, and to them, you're either on the "right" side or not. i don't particularly endorse this, nor will any readers of my blog find any kind of indication of where those battle lines are currently being drawn (unless somehow you all think that meta-analysis of cool is the new cool.)

having said that, the Flashdance style and legwarmers etc that you pointed out do seem to come from that late 2001 moment when the Lower East Side and the Terry Richardson team were the focus of the hipster press. this particular look has been very slow to come to Japan, which is surprising to me, because Tokyo has traditionally been faster at adopting international trends than the rest of the world.

i wasn't trying to point out you being wrong as much as i wanted to note that the 3-year lag illustrates my ongoing point about the decline of the Japanese coolness juggernaut.

marxy

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Date: 2004-10-16 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bifteck.livejournal.com
I, on the other hand, hate flip-flops and adore cowboy boots, but style is pretty subjective, isn't it?

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Yes. Flip flops remind me of sensual holidays in hot places (and tell me whether a girl paints her toenails, an important erotic detail) whereas cowboy boots just make me think of W on his Texan ranch stomping on a rattlesnake.

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whatgloom.livejournal.com
that's interesting, they make me think of Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five.

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Thank you. Now your turn, Dr Evil. What do cowboy boots make you think of?

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bifteck.livejournal.com
You can show erotically painted toenails without wearing flip-flops, specifically. To me, they are the epitome of an effortless, thoughtless, comfort-first manner of fashion, and I won't stand for them. It's unfortunate that cowboy boots make you think of W, because he's one of the most un-Texan Texans I know, and my Texan family would tell you the same. He's a pretty bad example. Mine just make me think of the first half of the century, the beginning of the era of denim, and a certain cowgirl/cowboy attitude of independence and self-sufficiency.

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Date: 2004-10-16 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I'm trying to imagine self-suffiency being a turn-on, or even attractive. 'What I really loved about her was that she didn't seem to need me in any way'. (Okay, first to quote 'I Want You But I Don't Need You' gets a sharply pointed boot.)

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Date: 2004-10-16 10:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Painting your toenails can show your deep respect for your toes. Most people tend to neglect their poor toes and feet, as if they were only some useful extra, not worth being caressed. If the feet could talk about their emotional and physical state of … being, they would probably tell you, oh please take us out of those airless boots, we are suffocating. Or they would say, hey take good care about us, you only have one pair in your lifetime.

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Date: 2004-10-16 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I hope you aren't being sarcastic. I totally agree. But then I'm an old hippy liberal who's more likey to listen to The Beach Boys' 'Take Good Care Of Your Feet' than 'Cowboy Boots and Bathin' Suits'. (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AiNM9q.EryI.m.KNyFsrW9sJGbgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBwdm9xbnB2BF9zAzI2MjY0MzM1BHNlYwNiZ2NvbnRlbnQ-/SIG=12tjejo48/**http%3a//www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe%3fclipid=018247501110006900%26cid=600109)

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Date: 2004-10-16 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Oops, I meant Take A Load Off Your Feet (http://sg1.allmusic.com/cg/smp.dll?link=ss8yupnj7kqu7cmp4v68cf0&r=20.asx) by The Beach Boys.

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
Where can a greater range of color be displayed (or concealed, for later surprise revelation) than a good pedicure? Add a toe ring, and you're super fancy from the ankles down.

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Date: 2004-10-16 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bifteck.livejournal.com
I didn't mean it in a romance/sexuality way, necessarily, although that does sort of play into it. I think it is sexy when a woman is independent - but I think it's also quite important to still be vulnerable in some way or another because that's part of what love is about. I'm not saying that wearing cowboy boots makes a girl seem totally unavailable and uninterested. :)

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Date: 2004-10-16 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Anyone wandering about the southwestern deserts in flip flops is asking for an envenomation of some kind. Hence, boots.

I see that Vice continues it's refined tone. Such invigorating ugliness. Ironic high five!

W

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm surprised by your preference for Birkenstocks, which to me seem "hippy" and undignified. They embody the philosophy of "comfort before style," which I believe is behind the downfall of Western fashion set in motion by the 60s hippies (God curse them). Smart suits and hats replaced by jeans, t-shirts, sneakers.

By the way, I'm struck by the almost complete absence of Berlin culture/society in your recent posts. Left your heart in Japan?

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
My Birkenstocks are absolutely the opposite of comfortable. They have these very gouging 'foot massage' soles which make them excruciating to walk in. I can only wear them with socks on, and it's still like some sort of medieval torture. Must be the presbyterian masochist in me that likes them.

Yes, Berlin missing from my posts. I'm in some kind of weird denial that I'm back here. I shuttle daily between home and the theatre where I'm working. I'm in 'I'm not really here' mode.

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-the-less.livejournal.com
This is kind of a non-sequitor, but I think it's so interesting that youth culture is so uniformly distributed across Tokyo (with some exceptions of course) that one can compare the fashion differences among youth in various districts. Okay, that didn't come out as interesting as I think it is, but what I'm saying is that I think it's interesting that in a city like New York or LA (excuse my US centrism, but that's what i really know) there are only a few neighborhoods in which you would go to take pictures of youth fashion -- and you certainly would be able to make generalizations about the fashions of each neighborhood. There are of course a few differences between the fashions of say the East Village, The Lower East Side, and Williamsburg, but I would attribute these more to demographics (younger NYU kids in the East Village, more wealthy on the LES, and more thrifted/trashy in Williamsburg) than differences in pure style, which seem to be what you're talking about in Tokyo.

There are all sorts of things that could explain this: the relatively few number of colleges/universities in NY compared to Tokyo, the differences in living arrangements betwen American over-18 year olds and Japanese over 18s, the geographical differences between Tokyo and New York (and LA), etc.

I just thought I'd make a comment because this seemed like such an exceptional condition.

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Date: 2004-10-16 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
You're right that there are many choices in a city like Tokyo between different types of youth culture style. Style and clothes are a huge preoccupation. The online street style websites tend to stick to Daikanyama (chic), Ginza (madame), Shibuya (mainstream), Daikanyama (youth), and Omotesando (rich). But they could easily include Shimokitazawa (musician style, secondhand style), Koenji (student style) and other districts. For a country with a supposedly declining birthrate, I'm constantly amazed by just how many young people there are in Japan, and how visible and variegated they are on the streets of so many different districts.

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Date: 2004-10-16 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] never-the-less.livejournal.com
oops -- that should read "certainly would NOT be able to make generalizations" about different neighborhood scenes in US cities. sorry if that was confusing.

The shock of boredom and the cult of comfort

Date: 2004-10-16 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Crisp lines, graceful curves, surprising palettes and exciting but subtle proportions are sadly lacking. The silhouettes on the street are decidedly lumpen these days. Frump, frump, frump. Will raising the bar ever be looked upon favorably again, or are we caught up in some sort of hopelessly crass race to the bottom? All of this hyper-synthesis has become an intolerable bore. Perhaps the pendulum is about to swing in the other direction, and the very act of trying will become a sort of transgression in itself?

W

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Date: 2004-10-16 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottbateman.livejournal.com
Having never been to Japan, my only exposure to Japanese street fashion is the book Fruits, where the girls and boys are all dressed in the wildest color combinations possible. Have kids in Japan swung to the opposite extreme of being chromophobic, or was the whole Fruits thing simply a subculture thing...?

My favorite thing about Fruits: the accessories!

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Date: 2004-10-16 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
FRUiTS is living in a permanent 1998 and giving a very selective picture of Japanese street style, which is very chromophobic now and has been for at least five years. Here's a photo I shot last month in Osaka. It's a crowd of girls who've come to hear a boy band star speaking outside a shopping centre. Now, do you see anything in these girls' apparel which might qualify as 'colour', let alone the kind of riotous colour FRUiTS magazine goes in for?

Image

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Date: 2004-10-16 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottbateman.livejournal.com
I see what you mean.

That girl in beige might as well be at a Young Republicans meeting.

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Date: 2004-10-16 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] w-e-quimby.livejournal.com
Well, yeah. In their cellphones. And cellphones you don't exchange every season.

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Date: 2004-10-16 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] w-e-quimby.livejournal.com
Personally, I think going au natural in the nail department is sexier. And better for your cuticles.

And, um. What's wrong with independent girls?

I'm with you there...

Date: 2004-10-18 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
On both counts. :)

Specifically, real independence, that is to say, capability, talent, humour, strength (as in ' -- to be gentle and kind', not brittleness) and Knowing What You Want.

-aj

westexpressway.typepad.com

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Date: 2004-10-16 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gorillabiscuit.livejournal.com
do you think history will look back on you as being an important writer and artist??????

-tomas

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Date: 2004-10-16 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Margaret, there's nothing wrong with independent girls as long as they don't turn out to be cowboys in disguise. Or the Marlboro Man.

Tomas, I have no idea. Let's wait and see. Perhaps some Melanesian Cargo Cult will worship my records as objects (caring little that they don't have anything to play their 'forgotten formats' on). Or perhaps I'll be the first man to be knighted for blogging.

hoitsy-toitsy

Date: 2004-10-16 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gorillabiscuit.livejournal.com
i've really been delving deep into your music (via limewire).
i'm even considering purchasing some of your old albums (a route i rarely travel).


i've found your blog personality (through carefully calculated questions) to be quite different from your musical personality. i wish you would stop and play a show in hawaii.

somehow, i expected you to be more haughty.

why DID you write "i ate a girl right up" anyways?
could you explain that?

my mom just walked in carrying my nephews shit in her hands. i think i understand now.

could you draw a face for me?

what do you do when you can't get an erection (not just for cynthia plastercaster but in general)?

i'm only eighteen but i masturbate too much so my penis tends to be unresponsive when provoked.

anyways,
tomas

Re: hoitsy-toitsy

Date: 2004-10-16 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
i've found your blog personality (through carefully calculated questions) to be quite different from your musical personality.

Well, probably. Blogging is like speaking to people, recording is more like praying.

i wish you would stop and play a show in hawaii.

I always like to play places I've never been to, and if the plane fares can be covered I might come. I'm talking to my US tour agency, Kork, about a possible 2005 US tour right now. Maybe they know a club in Hawaii. But actually I'm waiting for the results of the US presidential election before I decide whether to tour there in 2005. If Bush gets back in I really don't see what involvement I can have with the US on any level.

somehow, i expected you to be more haughty.

I always worry that I'm too haughty here. I mean, I can be a bit of an intellectual bully, can't I? I've already annoyed several people on this thread by asserting that cowboy boots are reactionary and flip flops 'sensual'.

why DID you write "i ate a girl right up" anyways? could you explain that?

Gainsbourg, Bataille, De Sade. I was influenced by a French tradition of sensualists, libertines and 'transgressors'. But my cannibalism was supposed to be warm, complimentary. It wasn't of the Hannibal Lecter type. That's cold, Anglo-Saxon cannibalism.

could you draw a face for me?

Image

what do you do when you can't get an erection (not just for cynthia plastercaster but in general)?

Think about something sexy. But sometimes not being able to get an erection is nature's way of telling you to go do something else. Remember, 'an intellectual is someone who's found something more interesting to think about than sex'.

The New Aestheticism

Date: 2004-10-16 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xyzedd.livejournal.com
Ah, fashion! As with most things, I get the majority of my thrills from the books I read--especially anything written by a dandy, decadent, or degenerate between 1890 and 1925. What we need is more color, as Momus says, and more fantasy! Here, for example, from my reading of the day, is Aubrey Beardsley describing some of the styles in his novel, Under The Hill:

"There were spotted veils that seemed to stain the skin with some exquisite and august disease, fans with some exquisite and august disease, fans with eye-slits in them... There were masks of green velvet that make the face look trebly powdered....There were wigs of black and scarlet wools, of peacock's feathers, of gold and silver threads, of swansdown....huge collars of stiff muslin rising high above the head; whole dresses of ostrich feathers curling intwards; tunics of panthers' skins that looked beautiful over pink tights....Some of the women had put on delightful little moustaches dyed in purples and bright greens....But most wonderful of all were the black silhouettes painted upon the legs, and which showed through a white silk stocking like sumptuous bruise."

And on and on. Now, if the girls (and boys) of the world were to start following such literary antecedents, I would be eager to join the hoi polloi more often.

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Date: 2004-10-16 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clearthefloor.livejournal.com
funny you mention this new fangled 'nightwear for daytime', as i just so happen to have an example of such lurking in my closet -- a skeleton in my closet, if you will:

Image

i must admit, the design is rather ingenius: soft, quilted material paired with a whimsical print (apples AND hearts? can one possibly be more japanese?)...too bad they neglected the abnormally large japanese such as myself. i am, unfortunately, nowhere near close to being able to contort my legs and zip into the neat and tidy sleeping bag package intended.

there are several wonderful examples of pierrot-chic in the japanese vogue this month, although i don't imagine it would tickle your fancy as the colours are most drab and commes des garcons.

red guard

Date: 2004-10-16 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sorry to vent at Vice here. Beating a dead horse and all. But I am always astounded at the lengths intelligent readers go to to make allowances for that magazine. First of all: yes. The issue's a joke. I get it. But the joke is insidious and disingenuous; it's the same joke that Vice hides its racism, classism, and, yes, fascism, behind in every issue. With this particular parody issue Vice claims a traditional liberal voice, but if you listen closely, it is a voice that is free to dispense cruelty at will, while the reader is censured for doing anything but laughing along. Vice gets away with everything because it can always say that it's joking, that it's airing prejudices publically in order to defuse them--patently untrue, of course, and when readers object they are treated to a logical inversion worthy of Mr. Cowboy Boots himself. A couple of issues ago, for example, a reader wrote in about a racist bit in the don'ts making fun of native Americans--the Vice staff responded that, because the reader had gotten offended by a "joke", obviously the reader was, himself, a racist. In other words, I can be as racist as I want because I claim for myself the convenient position of "ironist" or "exposer", and if you do anything but laugh along with my cruelty then you are a racist, a fag, a counter-revolutionary. Vide the perceptive, if over-tolerant, review of the new South Park movie with its "built-in defense":
http://movies2.nytimes.com/2004/10/15/movies/15TEAM.html

Irony and disorienteering are the most effective control mechanisms of all. Just ask Nabokov...

Re: red guard

Date: 2004-10-16 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I'm amazed that a magazine pointing in as many different directions as Vice -- and yes, it's written by a whole bunch of different people with different views, including sometimes me -- gets characterized as being 'racist, classist and fascist'. Is that really the irreducible bottom line of all that satire, all that confusion, all that iconoclasm?

My feeling is that people who react this way to Vice want to explain away all the difficult and salutory questions the magazine raises about American culture by seeing a fascist salute behind every article. Vice is 'racist' and 'classist' because it talks about race and class, and they don't want to think about race and class. (And what is a 'classist' anyway, is that someone who, criminally, raises the issue of social class? Like a Marxist, you mean?)

Whenever I've asked anyone to identify an actual instance of racism, for example, in Vice, they've demurred. Because to point to an ambiguous piece of satire about race and see racism in it is a bit like pointing at a rorschach blot and saying it demeans black people. It reveals more about your own insecurities than anything else.

When it comes down to it, the pro- or anti- Vice war (and I've fought this at tedious length, and don't want to do so again here) comes down to a slanging match between those who think Pandora's Box should be opened and those who think it should stay shut. The box-openers (and I'm one) think that human nature is basically good, and that we can all agree to disagree, and that dissent is basically healthy. The box-shutters are much more pessimistic.

Re: red guard

Date: 2004-10-16 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seanthesean.livejournal.com
good points about Vice, i picked up the latest issue a couple days ago and found it to be funny in the way Mad Magazine was when i was a kid. Of course, this issue is their parody of ordinary magazines issue... rather than their standard ironic and nihilistic stance. I agree that the issues that are brought up about race, free speech, gender stuff, media whoring, classism, cultural warfare and whatever else gets dredged up are most likely useful Pandora's boxes to be opened, but one of the more terrifying aspects of Vice, especially in relationship to the national situation in America is that our country has had so much cultural collapse and nihilism that a whole magazine that uses these as its operating engines is a bit like rubbing shit in the face of someone drowning in shit. yes, it's good slapstick, but... ! enough with the shit! who knows. i'm more interested in what happens with Vice five years from now and what their people will be doing.

Re: red guard

Date: 2004-10-17 05:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i totally agree. no me nihilism please, no more irony. it's very 90's by the way, too "Daria". do something cronstructive, tell me what you like rather than what you hate.

Re: red guard

Date: 2004-10-17 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
'No more nihilism' -- I can see that point of view, and it may even be one of the reasons I love Japan and have succeeded in Japan, because Japan stresses positivity and brings that out in me. But in the West I don't operate that way. I sing about death, for instance, in the last song on my forthcoming album. Now, does focusing on death make people queasy? Yes, it often does. But it can also give life meaning. Rather than being a source of nihilism and despair, it can become the gold standard for a set of carpe diem values and beliefs.

It seems to me that 'Only give us the good news, and don't open wounds' is a recipe for bland art and, especially, super-toothless satire. Sure, since 9/11 comfort food has been the order of the day in much of the American media. But it won't be on the menu in this restaurant. I won't make muzak for 'victims' or write 'comfort journalism'. When Prometheus and Pandora (http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/ss/topics/prometheus.html) had their argument about whether to open the mysterious box they'd received, Prometheus was right, in a sense, to warn against it. After all, inside, swarming like brown moths, were all the evils and ills that beset mankind. But Pandora was right, too, to open the box, because down at the bottom the gods had hidden something good and necessary: hope. Bland art and bland satire may offer comfort, but they can never offer hope.

Re: red guard

Date: 2004-10-18 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hm. I wonder if it is entirely coincidental that Vice, like our dear Momester, also started out in Montreal before decamping elsewhere.

I do think a spell back here in your spiritual home, the multilingual point where Europe meets America, might do you some good....

AJ

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sorry not an answer to this subject

Date: 2004-10-23 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
beatutiful poem about the ugliness of cars:

http://www.girlkarl.com/cars2.html