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Jun. 12th, 2008 11:14 pm
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* I stood on the most northerly beach in the British Isles. It lies just north of a holiday resort equipped with machine gun turrets, formerly an RAF base used for the interception of Soviet submarine communications. It's somewhat bleak, there at the top tip of Unst. The sea rattles in, and a dog barks.

* Norway, Shetland, Faroes, Iceland, Greenland; a sort of Viking's Causeway, a series of stepping stones from Northern Europe to North America.

* The tourism here is dominated by "biddies" -- ladies in their 60s and 70s, typically from northern English cathedral and university towns (Durham), terribly interested in local crafts and history. They wear brightly-coloured rain cagouls and Nikes and like to ask the tour guide intelligent questions. They occupy all the rooms in the B&Bs.



* Much of what I've been seeing here is reconstructions. Of a crofter's cottage, of a Bronze Age village, of "trowie" dells, of a Viking longship. Jumping from the present to the past -- and finding the past, for all its poverty, superstition and chilliness, more beautiful than the present -- you can't help asking yourself something like this:

In how many, out of, say, a thousand parallel worlds in which the people of the past are offered a choice between their lifestyle and ours, do they choose their own?

In other words, how much of what you consider beauty -- the muted colours of the croft's workspaces under its thatched roof, the pancreatic forms of the paleolithic brochs and roundhouses -- would be junked in a flash by these "virtuous poor" in exchange for, say, your mum's Citroen with its longboat-shaped digital speedometer display?

* My mother tells me that when we emigrated from Britain to Canada in 1973 it really felt like going to a more advanced culture. But after two years with Canadian wages (three times what my dad had been earning in Britain) and central heating, and a truly free and universal education system, we made the decision to return to Scotland. So perhaps the Bronze Age people I bring with me to the Citroen turn back at the last minute, shake their heads, proclaim that the future is not the place for them, and return to their mossy warrens, their dark brochs, their thatched drystone foundations.

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Date: 2008-06-12 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Something on Unst that's not a reconstruction (http://www.anorak.co.uk/forums/topic.php?id=227)

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Date: 2008-06-12 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've always thought that anyone travelling forward, even two hundred years, would see a mix of ridiculous rules and ridiculous freedoms - an oddly frameworked anarchy. Vikings were pure assertion - they'd have a Citroen ransacked. "Are there any slaves in the future?" Bronze age folk.. who knows.

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Date: 2008-06-13 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
My guess is they'd do what people from 'traditional' cultures do today: cherry-pick from both to suit their own ends. So you'd have Vikings with porn, GPS devices, and wellies.

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Date: 2008-06-13 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roybelmont.livejournal.com
Will you only be showing them a snapshot of the present? Or could they be allowed a continuous vision of this time? Only the good advancements, the mind-blowing prosthetics and abundance of easily gained daily necessities?
How about a half hour from a rooftop in the Ninth Ward?
Does the offer come with a guarantee that participants get the upper tier of modernity and none of the consequence further down?
Maybe you could attempt to throughly educate them before they chose. Illustrate the things they take for granted so completely they'll need to be led toward the names for them, things we've let slip away now.
It will be large task, making the differences between those old harsh ways and our well-upholstered bullet train to wherever it is we're going clear to people whose immediate worries will be vividly assuaged by what they see, if what they see is mostly just progress.
Graph the absence of songbirds in strength to people who've never known spring without them.
You could edit the glimpses for contrast, say with the hammered coasts of the south-asian tsunami and cyclone bounced off jumbo prawns on ice on a laden banquet table bounced off the coastal mangrove swamps going down to some brightly-colored amphibious tractors clearing the way for aquaculture pens.
We have much more access to a far wider variety of cheeses than any Bronze-age folk ever did. That's a sure win point.
End of the day, though, this isn't the future, that wasn't the past. Both are moments passed through to some other. Progress has been stamped into us as inevitable and linear, but it's come to seem pretty local, and precariously temporary.
Thatching foundations seems an odd practice but building on what's solid, putting what lasts above immediate gratification, looks right all through. Pecht or world citizen we'll agree on that.

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Date: 2008-06-13 10:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My parents were literally bags-packed for Australia when they changed their mind. Never worked out why.

Return to yesterday: The Irish look set to reject the Lisbon Treaty. In the UK there is a ‘Detention For Foetuses’ scandal – deals done with Ulster Unionists for an assurance that abortion will never be a service available to girls there – and cash in the form of military property – to vote to extend periods of detention without evidence.

The west coast of Europe seems hell bent on burying its head into the bosom of irrelevance. We'll be Picts soon enough.

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Date: 2008-06-13 11:09 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Momus, on a Go Betweens forum there's a recent thread that about two thirds of the way down veers off into an extended Momus riff. Thought you might be interested:

http://go-betweens.org.uk/chatroom/messages/1/5239.html?1213352160

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Date: 2008-06-13 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I always find it amusing when people say that after my first album I got too electronic, or conceptual, or tuneless. Circus Maximus is a concept album that uses an Emulator 2 extensively. And I think my last two albums contain much catchier tunes! But, by their own admission, most of those people haven't heard anything I've done since 1993. If my albums had come out in reverse order they'd all be saying that Ocky Milk was vastly superior to Circus Maximus (so bad they never heard it)!

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Date: 2008-06-13 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Interesting how "whimsy" is used as a pejorative and "strong" is used as a term of praise. Very telling.

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Date: 2008-06-13 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Of course they would trade in everything for our modern crap. That's why we have this modern crap in the first place.

Every microchip, skyscraper, airport, etc. is a testament to our innate dissatisfaction. We want to conquer scarcity. The past is desirable simply because we cannot go back and claim it. It is always somewhat out of reach.

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Date: 2008-06-16 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obliterati.livejournal.com
That was said about various modern appliances in the 1950's, that they would make life easier for "today's housewife", that new technology would overcome innate dissatisfaction but today you'd probably find more dissatisfaction with the idea of being a 1950's housewife. It's possible that there are those who get a lot of money making others feel inadequate, and that this drives at least some invention forward.



I've had difficulty for a lot of years staying away from driving a car for instance, but ultimately it's been rewarding to use other means of travel. Where I live in Oregon has been flooded with New Yorkers the last few years, looking to get out of the supermodern rat race, sometimes people want to get back to basics just because it's healthier.

how much of what you consider beauty

Date: 2008-06-13 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pay-option07.livejournal.com
Good question for freshman, but does mother's day in the UK fall earlier than in Canada?

Re: how much of what you consider beauty

Date: 2008-06-14 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
Apparently (at least in Australia), Mother's Day falls exactly 9 months after Father's Day. Make of that what you will.

Re: how much of what you consider beauty

Date: 2008-06-15 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pay-option07.livejournal.com
Mummy
March 2-UK,
May 11th-Can,
May11th-Auzzie.

Daddy
June 15th-UK,
June 15th- Can,
Sept6th-Auzzie.

Looks like a plan.

The past is a mythical other country.

Date: 2008-06-13 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thomascott.livejournal.com
Tend to agree with the above anon, though also with Whimsy,
I live quite sparingly but I like having medical science in the background, thank you very much.
My ancestors were dirt-poor crofters who farmed a few miserable, boggy fields in the very scenic and beautiful wilds of Donegal, Ireland.
Two of my uncles died in infancy in the post-war 'flu' epidemic and are buried in an unmarked grave in the Franciscan Abbey in Donegal Town, my uncle and my grandfather both died from T.B. in 1948 and 1952 respectively.
They would have very happily succumbed to modernity rather than live short lives of brutish hard work, with only primitive medical help to hand.
We put a patina of romance on the past only because we are so utterly unappreciative of what we have in the present.

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