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Joep Van Lieshout is a very interesting man. It's hard to know what to call him -- artist, designer, architect, town planner, provocateur, trickster, amateur butcher, anarchist, Dutchman? Perhaps he's not even a man at all -- after all he's better known as Atelier Van Lieshout. So maybe he's a collective, a company. Ten years ago, when I bought a big fat coffeetable book of his funky caravan designs, I would probably have told you he's an architect, a maker of bathroom fittings with some quirky ideas and some brilliant Dutch primary colours. But in the ten years since then he's become something much more interesting, and somewhat more disturbing: first a founder of utopian mini-states, then a designer of slave camps.



Back in 2000, as he explained to ArtForum at the time, Van Lieshout founded a utopian, anarchist free state in his work compound in the Rotterdam Harbour: AVL-Ville. The idea started with AVL's works about autonomy -- with the caravans and self-sufficient dwellings AVL had been making in the 90s.

"In 1998," Van Lieshout explained to ArtForum, "we got a commission to design an urban-planning project for Almere, a new city that the Dutch government began building in the province of Flevoland in the '70s. We came up with a plan for "Free State Almere," which would have sealed off the city from the rest of the country. Unfortunately, our proposal was rejected, so we decided to create our own free state around the atelier. I wanted to make a beautiful spot for people who work at AVL. We're not interested in having everyone come to live at AVL-Ville; it's intended only for past, current, and future employees. Currently, five of our interns live here, and more of our workers plan to move in this summer. Maybe in twenty years AVL-Ville will be bigger, but it'll never be massive". Van Lieshout had plans to make the free state a franchise; there'd be an AVL West Coast, AVL Asia, and so on.

In fact, the free state only lasted nine months. As Van Lieshout explained in a Tate talk with Marcus Verhagen, this experiment which was supposed to grow to 1000 people and last 1000 years (and which some compared to a Steiner community) was closed down by the authorities, a victim of the rise of right wing parties and political change in Holland. "A lot of people turned against the soft law which allowed soft drugs and prostitution," Van Lieshout explained at the Tate last November. "We were on TV, we were the ones sticking out. So the authorities came to me, and they were not very collaborative. We got a lot of inspectors. We had a bar and restaurant without building or restaurant permits or an alcohol license. We had a farm, so we had the European farm inspector coming, saying "You have to have concrete here, and special tanks for the shit, you have to sterilize..." We had this heating system, renewable energy, and they said "No, no no, there should be a filter..."



After 2001 -- reflecting political change in Holland itself, and the Western world in general -- Van Lieshout's work took a much darker turn. His interest in Utopia flipped into an interest in Dystopia, and particularly how the Nazi death camps were an expression of the ambivalence of rationalism and Modernism. The autonomous, anarchist experiment of AVL-Ville, which grew its own food and recycled its own waste in a way that would have been recognizable to 1970s Dutch hippies, turned into a series of teasingly amoral studies of total institutions, slave colonies and work camps.

It began with 2003's The Disciplinator, a sort of log cabin gulag in which everything is based on multiples of four. "The elements are intended to be used 24 hours a day by a slave force of 72 inmates," camp commandant Van Lieshout specifed. "There are 24 bunk beds that can be occupied three times a day; 24 places to eat with 24 cups and 24 dishes; 36 places to work and 36 files with which the slaves complete the useless task of reducing tree trunks to sawdust; and four toilets, four showers, four cups and eight toothbrushes (so two inmates can brush their teeth at the same time). Running like a clock, The Disciplinator produces little else beyond the passage of time and sawdust. In this nightmare, total functionality meets total futility."

His next project was much more productive. SlaveCity, begun in 2005 and ongoing, is a work town for 200,000 slaves (100,000 men, 100,000 women) who work for seven hours a day in office jobs (call centres, data input), another seven hours in the fields and in the workshops meeting the community's own needs, then have three hours of relaxation before sleeping for seven hours. The town may not be much fun to live in, but it's rational, efficient and profitable, generating €7 billion net profit per year. It's also very green, a zero-energy town where everything is recycled.

Van Lieshout told the Tate (itself an organisation, it's worth remembering, built on slavery and the sugar trade) that although SlaveCity no longer embodied the "big dream" of AVL-Ville, its dark cloud did have a silver lining. "Within this SlaveCity there will be something beautiful -- good health care, beautiful buildings. We're reformulating good and evil. Two slave cities could really change things for the better in the world.... There'd be renewable energy, self-sufficiency, no carbon dioxide, everything recycled, even the slaves themselves, who'd be composted, digested with bio-gas... 200,000 people for a better world, it's a good sacrifice".

Let's just hope they don't make it a franchise.

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Date: 2008-02-21 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eustaceplimsoll.livejournal.com
Is SlaveCity a conceptual thing or does he actually intend to realise it? Anyone willing to go to those lengths in order that his fellow humans can spend seven hours a day manning call centres and doing data entry must be a sadistic nut, no matter how amenable the environment.

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Date: 2008-02-21 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Art holds up a mirror. "Can that be us?" we cry.

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Date: 2008-02-21 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
But, to give that a fuller and more considered answer, and to relate it to our old discussion about Islam and Postmodernism, I think it's useful to look at Van Lieshout's swing from an interest in libertarianism to an interest in authoritarianism as a consequence of the binary way we form concepts. Our ideas, and our ideologies, depend on a close relationship with their opposites.

When you declare an interest in autonomy, you are actually declaringg an interest in the vector autonomy / dependence. An interest in libertarianism is also an interest, inevitably, in authoritarianism. We shouldn't be surprised when Van Lieshout, founder of a free autonomous state, tells us that his bedside table is heavy with books on Nazism.

Look at the time our own culture was at its most liberal, in the 1960s. It was a mere fifteen years after the Nazi era (in other words, as close as 1993 is to us today). It's not that we started again from scratch in 1945; rather, everything we did was determined by a huge effort not-to-be-Nazi. That's what created the hippy liberalism of the 1960s, just as fundamentalist Islam and the "decadent" West create each other, or just as the Catholic church's interest in virtue creates its interest in vice.

I know you probably won't see it this way, Eustace, but it was worth a shot!

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Date: 2008-02-21 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
As usual, I think that's too simple an analysis, and deeply unfair to Van Lieshout.

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Date: 2008-02-21 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Is it "deeply unfair"?

In his Designboom interview (http://www.designboom.com/eng/interview/vanlieshout.html), Van Lieshout says: "there is always a juxtaposition of rational and irrational, good and bad, beautiful and ugly. contradiction is always present in my work." Asked what books are on his bedside table, he says "they are all books about the third reich! (laughs)".

I'm not criticizing him above at all, I'm just saying what he says himself about the "vectors" of his interest and the contradictions they embody. But you're welcome to expand on why you think it's "deeply unfair" if you like.

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Date: 2008-02-29 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
Crap, I forgot to respond to this.

Basically, I think it's deeply unfair because Van Lishout is obviously working on many levels, yet your post (while admittedly deliberately succinct) condenses everything he's doing to one facet (a facet I find uninteresting).

Again, this is one of the problems of essentialism - reducing everything to its essence, regardless all evidence to the contrary of said essence.

You have been on the wrong end of essentialism when people claim that your Asian fetish clouds your judgments and makes everything you say suspect. There may be some truth to the claim, but it is a hopelessly naive and reductionist stance, and it's a stance that ignores all other aspects of your thought and self.

What Lishout is doing works on many levels and I think it's provoking and intelligent. I think your analysis is too flattening, and does his intellect and work a grave disservice.

But please not I'm not a relativist. But I'm also not an essentialist, and I think the world is too complex to constantly reduce to binaries (and definitely more complex than Hegel's simplistic binary dialectics).

postcard from Holland

Date: 2008-02-22 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinusvanalebeek.livejournal.com
Nice.

First, I am Dutch.
Second, this slavething is, believe it or not, Dutch humourism.
It is anarchistic and extremely anti-authoritarian.

Being turned of from his utopian community by rules and regulations,
this reaction ("if I can't do it my way, I am going to do it your way")
should also be seen in the context of rising right wing populism. The political movement of the megalomanic drag politician Fortuyn won the elections in Rotterdam. Society split up politically. Culturally, the Netherlands are still recovering from this trash attack.

For those who need a second and third word to understand well:
These slavecamps are a moralistic statement and a "fuck you" to the elected elite.

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Date: 2008-02-21 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eclectiktronik.livejournal.com
(whoops, hadn't logged in)..

This type of thing seems to have a precedent in the US with the religious fanatics and the live-in, authoritarian, total-submission ethos of their cults (Waco, anyone?)

My question is: how long before this Van Lieshout fantasy idea appears in the US presented as some kind of 'solution' (to ghettoes/crime/terrorism/islam/fill-in-the-blank)? History has shown that many Americans display a remarkable willingness to embrace fascism, especially if it is dressed up by the military-industrial complex with a bit of patriotism and sloganeering.....

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Date: 2008-02-21 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Well, exactly. Reversing the old quote, we could say that history plays the first time as farce, the second as tragedy.

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Date: 2008-02-21 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
History has shown that many Americans display a remarkable willingness to embrace fascism

...and History has shown that many Europeans display a remarkable willingness to invent it.

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Date: 2008-02-21 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
I remember watching a show here in the UK called 'Starting your own Country' (or something along those lines) where the presenter proposed being the King of his own nation. As research, they visited AVL-Ville to see how this community functioned.

It doesn't really surprise me the authorities shut it down -- it was absolutely rife with drugs and they weren't exactly subtle about it. They can complain all they want that it was a right-wing government stepping in to spoil their Utopia, but the bottom line is you can't just decide that youre going to separate yourself off from society and follow your own laws; this wouldnt be tolerated under any government, for obvious reasons.

I don't know what to make of gated communities in general.

"Running like a clock, The Disciplinator produces little else beyond the passage of time and sawdust. In this nightmare, total functionality meets total futility."

If you see life as goal orientated, all life is futile. It's all for nothing. Nothing you create will ever last, your existence will only ever be a footprint in the sand destined to be washed away. Why bother with anything? We should all kill ourselves because lifes futile.

The worst thing about SlaveCity is the 14 hour work days and no weekends off I'm guessing? No wonder it makes 7bil euros of profit a year. All work and no play... They should call it "DullboyCity". I'd rather trade in the slice of that profit for free time. And I'm not a huge fan of communal living unless I can pick who I live with.

Apart from that it doesn't seem half bad, but I guess that's the whole of point of 'SlaveCity' -- to be an extreme, over-exaggerated caricature of western society because a bunch of hippies are pissed off that the authorities didnt allow their Drugtopia.

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Date: 2008-02-21 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
This being Holland we're talking about, I suspect soft drugs were the one thing AVL-Ville wasn't busted for. And since everyone living there was employed by an architectural practice, I very much doubt they were junkies. No, it was all stuff about EU farming regulations, alcohol licenses and so on.

But yes, you're right, it's not really surprising it didn't last. JVL expected the Dutch authorities to turn a blind eye to small infractions happening in an art context, which they may well have done if there hadn't been political capital to be gained from symbolic moves against liberal culture, and if AVL-Ville hadn't got a lot more press than expected.

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Date: 2008-02-21 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
"This being Holland we're talking about, I suspect soft drugs were the one thing AVL-Ville wasn't busted for."

I really couldn't tell you what drugs were and werent being used/manufactured in that place, but I do remember drugs being raised as an issue by the authorities to some extent when I watched that programme. So who know.

"And since everyone living there was employed by an architectural practice, I very much doubt they were junkies."

I think it's naive to assume you have to be a junkie to indulge in drugs other than weed. Speaking as a homosexual, where there is most definitely a culture of drug taking in our community, you dont have to be a gutter-dwelling, incapable junkie to enjoy class A drugs. It happens all the time, every weekend on the scene, and I meet gay guys from penniless artists to lawyers who all do it.

The bottom line is, this community didnt obey their country's laws in regards to drugs, safety, license and regulations. That community could have been so much more than it was if they had just followed the laws, but they didnt. What did they expect? That they could make their own laws?

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Date: 2008-02-21 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I find there's a bit of a conflict going on between your second-last and last paragraphs there. You're saying you move in a community that uses class A drugs every weekend, and breaks the law. But you're saying that another community doing the same thing shouldn't have done it. Does the same apply to the drug-using gay community? Should they expect to be shut down for their activities?

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Date: 2008-02-21 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
I'll elaborate.

Gay establishments (in fact all establishments) dont officially allow drugs within their premises. Therefore they shouldnt be held accountable for the actions of individuals choosing to break the law. Some establishments turn a blind eye to drugs being used by individuals ie. plead ignorance, but at least on the surface they still always follow the law.

AVL-ville wasnt closed down because of illegal drugs, it was closed down because it didnt follow the laws. I never said It was closed down soley because of drugs, but I pointed out that drugs were a very central part of that community and this was part of the reason why the authorities were banging heads with them. As for what drugs were being used, who knows, but I personally think it'd be naive to assume it was only a bit of weed here and there.

AVL-ville was closed down because it didn't follow safety regulations, didnt have the correct lisences, it was breaking laws. If a gay pub didnt have a license and wasnt following health and safety, I would expect it to be shut down.

Even if it was targeted by the right-wing establishment, which is purely speculation and opinion, it was closed down for legitimate reasons.

It's kinda like when youre at school and theres this teacher who comes down really hard on you for not following the rules -- you suspect hes targeting you because he doesnt like you, but he wouldnt be able to if you followed the rules of the school in the first place.

I used to have a chemistry teacher who really disliked me, he even threw my bag out the window during one class, he was a real bully.

Instead of skipping class, being rude and disobedient, I made extra sure I always did the work he required of me and behaved in his class. I also kept a record of all the out-of-line shit he did, like throw my bag out the window because I put it on the table rather than on the floor, which wasnt an official rule.

I worked hard in his class so he had no ammunition against me, then I handed in my record of his unfair treatment to my head master and spoke to him candidly about it. That teacher was reprimanded, and he actually gave me a personal apology. I never had any problems with him after. I got my own way.

I could have just said "fuck it, the teacher is against me, fuck chemistry" and completely failed chemistry that year and blamed him for it. But I didnt because I knew how the system worked and I knew what to do to get what I wanted. It benefited me in the end.

Western society, Europe, isnt a dictatorship. Things arent perfect here, some things need to change, but civil disobedience is about picking your fights carefully and picking them well. I don't feel AVL-ville did that with their actions.

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Date: 2008-02-21 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I think you've overlooking the extent to which AVL-Ville was an artwork. Art's a bit like Christianity -- every loser wins. You get paid in publicity for every fight you have with the authorities. JVL discovered this when he put a cannon on the front of a Mercedes and entered it in an art show. The mayor of the Dutch town the show was held in made a stand for his own political advantage and had the show shut down. But he got slapped down by the culture minister for being so silly. A bit like your petty chemistry teacher, in fact.

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Date: 2008-02-21 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
Art isnt exempt from the law. Should art be exempt from the law? What is censorship? When does art become an excuse to work outside of society's laws?

Very difficult questions.

If I call my house extension "art", can I call a denial of planning permission "art censorship"?

The way I see it, if the goal of this project was to create a utopian community that's self sustainable and community driven and green, thats fantastic, but it could have been done within the confides of the law -- this isnt art censorship.

And that whole SlaveCity piece:

Art holds up a mirror. "Can that be us?" we cry. "It is us" we say, "but you're holding up a fairground mirror."


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Date: 2008-02-21 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crowjake.livejournal.com
I started writing this story recently about Hitler winning the war and becoming furer of the world. And this is pretty much what ends up happening. As ever, though, people aren't all straight, so the gender separation doesn't work. People might want to work less hours, or more hours or they might have disabilities or depression which mean they can't do as much as everyone else. So for SlaveCity to work you need to remove all the spanners in the works, regularly. You can't just achieve the city and for it to sustain, you need to delete/edit people who can't be edited. You need "slave maintenance" who get rid of all the people you can't deal with; very helpful.

I wish I was him though, (Mr. Lieshout that is, not Hitler)... There seems to be artists all over the place talking about the ideas i have in my head... by the time i get there everyone will have already made my points hah!

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Date: 2008-02-21 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinyfolk.livejournal.com
The fascinating thing to me is that if it weren't called SlaveCity, and if it were presented a little differently (i.e. with the emphasis on the productivity, the ecological benefits, the physical beauty, etc.) I think a whole lot of people would say, "that's a great idea!" Honestly, I think there are a lot of people who voluntarily live a lifestyle not that far removed from what happens in SlaveCity: seven hours at an office job, then go home do yardwork, physical labor (even if it is in the form of going to a gym, etc) and then a little bit of alone time and go to sleep for seven hours to do it again. The differences are so small, it's really just a) the concept of it being regulated/enforced and b) the (illusion?) of it being a lifestyle created/chosen by the person in question.

The more I think about it, the more I'm not sure what exactly it is that makes it unpalatable other than the idea of everything being regulated by the same entity, the fear of which every good, individualistic American has instilled in him/her from birth.

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Date: 2008-02-21 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cargoweasel.livejournal.com
They can just call it Target and put Apple logos on the files and Starbucks logos on the 24 cups and this is not too far off.

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Date: 2008-02-21 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
I think SlaveCity's message is about as sophisticated as this:

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Date: 2008-02-21 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desant012.livejournal.com
Look at those rats go. But in this case, the rats are sheep, and the sheep are all of -you-. Think about that one for a while, it might just blow your mind man.

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Date: 2008-02-21 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kumakouji.livejournal.com
Obviously the NON-CONFORMIST rat at the bottom is AVL. FUCK THE SYSTEM! FIGHT THE MACHINE! \m/

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Date: 2008-02-21 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The joke might be this...

Utopian communities throughout history have always failed and resulted in disaster (money issues, jealousy, apathy, etc). The result tends to be the opposite of what was intended.

Keeping this rule in mind, if you started a community based on awful things--with the opposite of your intentions actually occuring--then you would end up with a really great place to live.

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Date: 2008-02-21 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Ha, interesting... it might work, unless there's some kind of law of entropy in the universe ensuring that, rather than all plans having the opposite result of the one intended, all plans just always turn out worse than expected.

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Date: 2008-02-21 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Like reverse broken windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing_Broken_Windows). If I build a shanty cottage in a gated community, will they transform it (fixer up) into a Mc Mansion?

meanwhile: all play and no work

Date: 2008-02-21 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brokenjunior.livejournal.com
Additional visual references on "Lager"-aesthetics:




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Pig City (http://www.mvrdv.nl/_v2/projects/181_pigcity/index.html) by MVRDV (http://www.mvrdv.nl/_v2/), 2001




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LEGO Concentration Camp Set (http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz.htm) by Zbigniew Libera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Libera) , 1996




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Hell (http://www.xs4all.nl/~lpbrull/digipage/digipage/HELL/hell_overview.htm) by Jake and Dinos Chapman, 1999 (destroyed 2004)

Re: meanwhile: all play and no work

Date: 2008-02-21 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
It's funny, in his Tate talk Lieshout says that when he got a commission to do a piece at Schipol Airport the only two restrictions were "No pigs and no sex". So he did this piece without pigs or sex -- a skull-shaped building offering privacy for people who went inside it -- but suddenly it had to fit the fire regulations too, so nobody was allowed in.

Facism or a single hive mind

Date: 2008-02-22 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pay-option07.livejournal.com
I feel this is reluctantly being revisited as a new concept with variations of linguistics and trends.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.html#who

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Date: 2009-09-30 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blasuon.livejournal.com
AVL project SlaveCity came to 3rd Moscow Biennal in Russia ...
My post about his exhibition in moscow art-center here: http://blasuon.livejournal.com/48711.html