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Wow, is it really 2008 already? You know, by the end of this decade I really believe we could put a man on the moon. At the very least a child.

Or how about this pink-eyed Berlin lab rat, born in the year of the rat, waving fire flowers on the balcony of his Japanese neighbours Yoshito and Naoko, welcoming Shizu and David from Tokyo, watching bear and tanuki films up on the wall as the countdown runs?

Good, let him kiss his girlfriend (she made the pink patch specially) then strap him to the bottle rocket. Where is the moon? I think it's somewhere there. Or is that Tokyo? Same colour of light. Touch fire to the blue paper, cover ears, stand well clear. Even if we miss the moon, we're sure to hit 2008.

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obliterati.livejournal.com

A lot of the material used to debunk the moonlanding(s) are items which could be made with Photoshop or with the basic reasoning a lawyer uses to "prove" a false argument, but what gets me stuck is the Van Allen radiation belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt). There really shouldn't have been a way for astronauts to survive passing back and forth through it, but somehow all the Apollo astronauts passed through unscathed. Pretty interesting problem there!

From: (Anonymous)

Yeh, but if you read the rest of the Wiki page you link to, it says that the astronauts had limited exposure within safe levels.

If you want conspiracy theories, they'll need to be a bit more convincing than a link to a page that clearly states, in very basic scientific language, that the radiation belt wasn't even a risk to the astronauts.

From:

obliterati.livejournal.com

People want to doubt the veracity of numerous news organizations, President Nixon, NASA, all the astronauts themselves and every technician along the way, but a wikipedia page stating "the crew's short-term exposure was still within acceptable levels" must obviously be true.

Here (http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html) is a superior website describing the point about the radiation belt, from a pro-NASA viewpoint. They suggest that shielding wasn't as important as traveling through the the right location in orbit, and this site apparently even includes a quote by Dr. Van Allen himself to back it up. The idea is that astronauts travelled quickly enough through the right areas to have avoided a lethal dose, but no one else thinks it's possible. By "no one else" I mean other services which send people into orbit. Again, it's reality versus media, what does a web designer know that a cosmonaut does not?

It will be most interesting if the Chinese actually get there in the next decade as planned! I've been most curious to see what they might find!

From: (Anonymous)

Err, don't understand what you're saying. You're (probably?) kidding when you say the Wikipedia page 'must obviously be true' - if so, why link to it?

The views, fantastic or otherwise, of "other services" that "send people into orbit" aren't much of a help here:

- "into orbit" of what? If you mean into the Earth's orbit, then these agencies are talking outwith their own experience. People have orbited earth for decades, safely far away from the radiaton belt, cos they don't pass thru it in order to orbit the earth, do they!!

- if these "other services" are sending people into orbit of other plantes or satellites, well, that's another question entirely. One I'm sure star goalkeeper David Icke (unintentional space pun) could answer, in his own unique style.

So -if the Chinese government sends people to the moon, all they'll find is grey dust, craters and the United States flag.

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obliterati.livejournal.com

Maybe Chinese taikonauts will land and they'll force the grey dust to relocate so they can build a dam! Or maybe they'll find a Tibetan flag instead!

re: "other services", the Russians have explicitly said it's too dangerous for humans to be exposed to that kind of radiation, and numerous cosmonauts have expressed great trepidation about attempting it. And despite the vast Russian superiority to the American space program (and also their open willingness to irradiate their citizens actually) they never tried sending a person to the moon, in all these decades. Why is that? Is it because it's impossible? I'm not saying I believe the conspiracy exactly, I'm just curious about technical details.

(I did not in fact read the entire wikipedia page before posting the link. I probably rely on wikipedia too much for technical descriptions actually. Thanks for the catch.)

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microworlds.livejournal.com

Indeed! There's an argument (which doesn't make much sense) that there is some sort of angle that the astronauts have to go through to make it into space unharmed. And that angle is where there's a "hole" and it is conveniently placed above Texas.

But was the technology advanced enough to get past the radiation belt? Hmm.