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I heard that Republican party candidate Mike Huckabee had vaulted into the lead in Iowa and that Democratic candidate Barack Obama had taken the lead in polls for the first time in New Hampshire, a key early state.



I heard that these developments had made their political rivals' campaign managers reach in desperation for slander and slur. Bill Shaheen from the Clinton campaign raised the issue of Obama's teenage drug-taking to dent his credibility. He told the Washington Post that the Republicans would target Obama's background. "It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?"'

I heard that Huckabee, a Baptist minister, had attacked Mormon Mitt Romney by asking "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"

I heard that evangelical Christians make up about 40% of registered Republicans in Iowa.

I heard that during the first Republican debate in New Hampshire Huckabee responded to a question about evolution by saying "If anybody wants to believe that they are the descendants of a primate, they are certainly welcome to do it." He, however, did not believe it.

I heard from scientists that human beings are primates.



I heard that fewer than 40% of Americans, in a 2005 survey, agreed with the proposition "Human beings, as we know them today, evolved from earlier species of animals". In Britain, Japan, Europe and Scandinavia between 70% and 90% agreed with the same proposition.

I heard Obama say, at the 2004 Democratic National Convention: "Tonight there is not a liberal America and a conservative America, there is the United States of America."

I pondered the things I had heard.

I thought that Obama's statement really wasn't true (or was only true if "tonight" was a very exceptional night, one filled with "the audacity of hope", the speech's title). I thought that, increasingly, the US is two nations divided rather than one united. One of them thinks in quite similar ways to Europe. The other is completely alien -- a place whose irrational views, given further rein or rope, will surely start dragging its economy down to the level of the other much poorer nations which tend to share them.

I heard conservative columnist David Brooks describe the split back in 2001: "In Red America churches are everywhere. In Blue America Thai restaurants are everywhere."

I thought about how there's another split that messes up modern politics. The tragedy of modern politics is that it seeks to combine two incompatible skill sets -- the rhetorical and the administrative. Is there any other job where you'd have to prove yourself rhetorically to achieve an administration post which basically requires you to be an organiser and a technocrat?

I thought about what these mismatched skills -- rhetoric and administration -- actually require. Rhetoric requires wishful thinking. It's all about the future, and dreams, and lies we like to hear, even if we know they're lies. Things like "we are united, not divided" and "we are not related to monkeys". Rhetoric is motivational, inspirational, morale-boosting, mythopoeic, tribal. As long as your fiction is moving and consistent, you can carry an audience. It's an arts skill, playing on empathy and the ability to connect. Admin, on the other hand, has to take stock of facts on the ground, inconvenient truths, existing realities. It calls on scientific skills, careful observation, rationality. Whatever Obama says about there being no red and blue states -- nice rhetoric! -- you can be damn sure his campaign organizers are being more realistic and rational. They're going to remain fully aware of the exact boundaries of red and blue America during the campaign for their candidate. Hope may be unlimited, but their resources are limited.

I wondered if Huckabee, too, would match his rhetorical side with a rational one. Should he be elected American technocrat-administrator-in-chief in 2008, would he -- at the very least -- act as if he held a rational view of the world?



And I wondered if there were some sort of google translation service available which translated Rhetorical statements into Rational ones. A service that would render "There is not a liberal America and a conservative America" into "We really wish that we could overcome the obvious and ruinous divide that exists in this country" and "I don't believe we're descendants of a primate" into "I'm fully aware of the importance of politicized fundamentalist creationist views in swing states like Iowa, therefore of course I'm going to appeal to them". A widget like that would allow us to square the circle, and transform even the craziest rhetoric into rationality.

Then I thought of a saying of Sugar Ape editor Jonatton Yeah? (a character in Nathan Barley). When journalist Dan Ashcroft tells him an article in his magazine is "stupid", Jonatton replies: "Stupid people think it's cool. Smart people think it's a joke; also cool". Applied to the things I heard about America as it enters election year, that could read: "Red states like the stuff politicians say because it's irrational. Blue states listen harder and hear rationality in it."

But then I wondered whether those blue states weren't listening -- or projecting themselves -- too hard into the craziness coming out of places like Iowa. I wondered whether they shouldn't have slightly higher standards for their red state cousins -- shouldn't demand that they actually snap out of it, shape up, and get rational. Not just "rational because we understand the appeal to stupid people of the irrational", but just good old-fashioned rational, admininstration-ready.
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Date: 2007-12-13 11:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You love those flip, flow and pie charts!
("Fact times importance equals news!")

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Yes!

I will vote for whoever offers me pie. Not pie in the sky, however. Pie in charts.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-13 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niemandsrose.livejournal.com
Not pie in heaven, but pie here on earth?

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Pie here on earth, with an x, y and z axis. Flat pie is of no use to me.

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishwithissues.livejournal.com
About a year ago you gave a lecture in which you argued for (among many things) emphasizing rhetoric over logic. What did you mean and how have things changed? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them?

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuckdarwin.livejournal.com
I wondered whether they shouldn't have slightly higher standards for their red state cousins -- shouldn't demand that they actually snap out of it, shape up, and get rational.

Liberal standards are high, but Conservatives aren't in the least bit interested in living up to them.

It's difficult to get into the Red Stater mindset... most Bush voters I knew there (I used to live in a red state) were very aware of his flaws, but were voting out of fear.

They were afraid that The Other Guy would give everyone an abortion, let the terrorists win, but too soft on crime, legalise gay marriage, ban guns, etc.

NO ONE ever voted for George Bush because of what he stands for; everyone voted for him to stave off The Other Guy and all that he represents (reason, logic, science, etc).

In other words, we're all fucked.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-13 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niemandsrose.livejournal.com
Makes a blue-stater like me want to get a gun, so that when those nutjobs come to take my dildos away I'll be ready!

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Are you any relation to Charles? Would your name be held against you in some US states? It's almost as bad as being called Marx these days!

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Wait, Chuck Darwin is Charles Darwin!

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuckdarwin.livejournal.com
I don't think guns are the answer, but I'm a pinko.

I'm sure people will pounce on me for saying so, but I actually left America. I am much happier in the UK (been here almost three years), and plan to start revising for my citizenship test next month (it's a difficult bloody test).

I don't ever plan to return to the states.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-13 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niemandsrose.livejournal.com
Oh, and btw, Lakoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff#Political_significance_and_involvement) is as close as we've got to a red/blue translator these days. And even he's got flaws.

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuckdarwin.livejournal.com
They can't hold my username against me if I don't live in that stupid goddamned zoo deeply confused nation anmyore.

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuckdarwin.livejournal.com
Whatever you say, Mr Currie :-)

(I got all paranoid that the Internet Bad Guys (read: Russians) were going to cull my details and changed it)

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niemandsrose.livejournal.com
Doesn't matter what I think about guns-- I can't afford one anyway, not even at WalMart. Not with my level of student loan bills.

Good on you for leaving, mate. Maybe I should marry someone with a good/other passport, maybe that would get me out of here.

viva la revolucion

Date: 2007-12-13 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] st-ranger.livejournal.com
As a Californian, there's not much I can do about the mentality of people in red states. I actually think of myself as a Californian instead of an American these days-- after spending some time in the South I'm convinced that it really is another country.

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuckdarwin.livejournal.com
Just go drag the nearest lake; I'm sure there's a couple guns at the bottom of it (with serial numbers neatly filed off). It's not as if there were a shortage of weapons there.

I married a British woman in 19ermermerm and we lived in the states for 12 years. Bush's"re-election" neatly coincided with me losing a job I hated (and being offered one over here). We sold the house and cars and left.

You just put all your shit in a shipping crate and send it over in advance. Easy peasy.

I think finding a British guy might be the tough bit.

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Date: 2007-12-13 11:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How can a post-modernist appeal to rationality? Or science? Why is a creationist point of view worth less than an evolutionist one? Where does your relativism stop? How can relativism stop?

On the subjects of pies, you might like Google Chart API (http://code.google.com/apis/chart/). But then again, it's probably the wrong kind of google for you. (Not the search field.)

der.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-13 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishwithissues.livejournal.com
I'm listening to IT (http://imomus.com/momuslecture.mp3) again now!

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Date: 2007-12-13 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm playing that too, just to see what I said about rhetoric. Actually, it's a pretty interesting lecture -- if I ever get run over, please place a recording of it in my tomb.

I haven't reached the end yet, but I seem to be saying that if IT is "the it culture" now, maybe it's time to be realistic, the time to at least claim that we represent the world. So I suppose there's a wish there that rhetoric would be infused with an ambitious kind of realism, the realisation that it's not enough to be a particular (taking the current US Democratic candidates, for instance, we'd say the particularity of being a woman or a black man), but to bring your particularity to power as a new universal. That's not just realpolitik -- my gang wins -- but requires continuous reality-adjustment. I suppose the kind of rhetoric I want to hear is a rhetoric which reflects what I think of as reality.

Ah, I think I've come to the bit about rhetoric now. It's about how, even if you're a hardcore cultural relativist, you may not like the results of that (eg allowing Creationism to be taught in schools as "just as good as" Darwinian theory). So you have values, and you try to persuade others -- through rhetoric -- to share your values. This is what I think Blue State America needs to do to Red State America, and what Europe should do too. I suppose I'm talking about a kind of secular evangelism. We're not evangelistic enough with our values, we in the "reality-based community". This is, to use the enemy's language, a "sin" -- a sin of omission.

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Date: 2007-12-13 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
RON PAUL 2008!

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Date: 2007-12-13 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcgazz.livejournal.com
> They were afraid that The Other Guy would give everyone an abortion, let the terrorists win, but too soft on crime, legalise gay marriage, ban guns, etc.

Isn't that the thesis of Thomas Frank's "What's The Matter With Kansas"? He said that Republicans got poor square-state types to vote against their class interest with "god, guns and gays" rhetoric.

Re: viva la revolucion

Date: 2007-12-13 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcgazz.livejournal.com
Californian secession now! :)

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Date: 2007-12-13 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I think you're mixing up different categories of things. Post-modernism is a cultural descriptor. We're all -- even you -- in the postmodern era just now. At the dusk of it, perhaps. But that's the culture we still have around us. Most of us (here in Europe, anyway) are also fairly rational, and have respect for science as a set of procedures. There's no incompatibility there. Post-modernism reverses Modernism, not the Enlightenment.

Relativism has its origins in anthropology -- it's the view that we shouldn't think that some cultures are automatically superior to others. And actually that mindset comes out of science: don't cook the books, try to step outside your preconceptions when looking at things.

Relativism can stop -- and should stop -- when it prevents us having our own strong beliefs and fighting for them, even when we can't say they're objectively better than anyone else's. I think relativism also stops when -- as I've been doing recently -- you question the very idea, the possibility, of neutrality; the notion that there's some sort of "offshore" from which you can judge things. I think it also ends when you recognize the need to make your beliefs into a new universal. In a world in which there's really only the "it" and the "other", you really have to be part of the "it" to survive. The other shrinks and wilts. It becomes nothing more than "the not it", and that's not good enough.

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Date: 2007-12-13 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuckdarwin.livejournal.com
Probably; and he's right. The last two "elections" were both based on pushing the electorate's Fear button.

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Date: 2007-12-13 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girfan.livejournal.com
I'm in a similar situation to [livejournal.com profile] chuckdarwin (American who married English-in my case man-and moved to the UK).
I read about Huckabee and am glad to live where I do and sad for the country of my birth (especially if that person is elected!). I can still vote in US elections and do so (though have no idea if the absentee ballots were counted or thrown away) and will vote to keep that moron out of the White House! It's bad enough one has been there for the past 7 years!
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