I'm a city person. I almost never want to leave the city, although I think I like nature. Thinking of the city as more advanced than the country is second nature to me. The city is the crucible of almost all interesting new ideas; the country gets diluted, conservative versions of them decades or even centuries later. People who live in the country, research tells us, are cautious and conservative, tending to preserve traditions at the expense of new developments.
But, first of all, is this still true in an age when the internet brings interesting ideas to us pretty much wherever we are? When gentech experiments are covering the countryside with freakishly new plant species? And secondly, could we imagine a parallel world where the countryside is actually more advanced than the city? I'm thinking of a song Peter Blasser of The Gongs made which imagined a super-experimental countryside full of geodesic domes. Or of the Modernist glass-walled country house in Evelyn Waugh's "Decline and Fall" (which the conservative Waugh wanted to mock, of course, but I pictured in my head as something wonderful when I read it).
In fact, some of my favourite images ever are pictures of super-advanced ideas -- ultra-modern houses, for instance -- set in "unspoiled" rural landscapes. Last week I rented the DVD of Goff in the Desert, a film which documents all of Bruce Goff's amazing spacey-organic buildings in their suburban and country locations. Their weird originality blows away most of what any city can offer. (In the commentary, though, director Heinz Emigholz makes it clear that the desert of his title is a metaphorical one -- Goff's inventiveness is very much the exception in suburban and rural America.)

Whenever an "advanced" building pops up in the country, though, it's financed from the city, occupied by a city-dweller or worker who wants a retreat, driven to from the city, and built by an architect who studied in the city. The ferment of ideas that created the building is one that the conservative countryside itself could never provide.
Let's take an example. Kathryn Findlay is a Scottish architect, a graduate of London's AA, who's spent a lot of her working life in Tokyo making, in collaboration with her then-husband Eisaku Ushida, radical houses like the Truss Wall House and the Soft and Hairy House. Findlay has most recently been working on the amazing Grafton New Hall, a starfish-shaped country house in Cheshire.
Findlay talks in an interview with Sarah Dunant archived on the BBC's site about her influences. She grew up in the countryside in Scotland, the daughter of a sheep farmer. "That's where I got my interest in landscape," she says. "I don't see architecture as defined by walls, but by walking and paths and routes through landscape... It's easy to start with a box and fill it in. but if you start with the notion of a route through a solid form, then you excavate the space out of it, conceptually it's a different starting point, so it's harder to get there."
Now, this is certainly a response to a country upbringing, but it's also full of the kind of Situationism and Psychogeography Findlay must have encountered in London at the Architecture Association. She's also been crucially influenced by her twenty years in Japan (she's back in Scotland now). Not just her work with Japanese architects like Arata Isozaki and her husband. "The Japanese tea ceremony, calligraphy, they're not derived from fine arts," she says; in Japan "all the arts come from the way people live. It's not a visually-led culture. It combines all of the senses. People get inspiration from sound, from scent, from texture, and they combine it in a way that Western architecture traditionally hasn't done to the same extent."
The dialectic between city and country is clear in Findlay's own career, but it's also built into the tradition of the British country house she's now inserting her radical Cheshire starfish house into. It's being constructed -- at a cost of about £20 million -- by entrepreneur Mel Hood, who's decided to start building it without having found a buyer. Initially, at least, it will be his own home.

"Grafton New Hall will be the most important residential building of its time," Hood told Manchester Online. "This design is one of the first country houses to be given planning permission since a Department of Environment edict issued in 1997 that insists only houses of 'outstanding architectural quality' can be built in the countryside."
Jonathan Glancey in The Guardian explains that shocking restriction further:
"This extraordinary design is, in fact, one of the first country houses to be given planning permission since John Gummer's PPG7, a Department of Environment edict issued in 1997. This insists that houses can be built in the countryside only if they are of "outstanding architectural quality". Mr Gummer's edict was, in part, a reaction to the property boom of the 1980s when kitsch houses financed by instant City fortunes spread across rural shires. Since Mr Gummer's edict, few country houses have been built. This is not for a lack of potential patrons, but for a lack of suitable land. Those in pursuit of a perfect country retreat wish to build in the very tracts of unspoilt land that the department has been determined to save from inappropriate development."
Glancey quotes Findlay's argument for the radicalism of the countryside: "Traditionally, the great English country house was long a radical building type - think of buildings like Hardwick Hall in Derbyshire or Holkham Hall on the north Norfolk coast: they must have seemed astonishing at the time of their construction. Our house might seem a little out of this world, but in a sense it's connecting the English country house back to its tradition of innovation as well as connoisseurship."
Mel Hood agrees. "New money from the towns has always flowed into the country because of the prestige and privacy that a country house affords, so Grafton New Hall is in line with this 'heritage of progressive architecture'. Hailed as "a remarkable attempt to redefine a form of domestic architecture", the intention is for the house to blend effortlessly into its surroundings and be as "ecologically responsible" as possible."
But Alan Powers in The Spectator doesn't buy these arguments that today's innovation is tomorrow's tradition. He thinks Kathryn Findlay's design is more like a discarded pizza box than a natural, self-effacing starfish. "The bad side of 'a heritage of progressive architecture' in country houses is that it has nothing to do with the country (and the same goes for any architectural style), and everything to do with status and display".
The same goes for any architectural style? What, there should be no building at all in the country? Mankind is a vain strutting peacock and should be shut up in the city's zoo?
I want to give the last word to Glancey. "Innovative English country houses have been as rare as hen's teeth since the 1930s," he says. "Many observers believed the building type had come to its natural end with the second world war and the meltdown of the traditional class structure."
Could it be that there hasn't been a countryside "more advanced than the city" since Feudal times, when society's most dynamic and cosmopolitan class was the aristocracy, those country-dwelling, Ming-importing clipper-setters?
But, first of all, is this still true in an age when the internet brings interesting ideas to us pretty much wherever we are? When gentech experiments are covering the countryside with freakishly new plant species? And secondly, could we imagine a parallel world where the countryside is actually more advanced than the city? I'm thinking of a song Peter Blasser of The Gongs made which imagined a super-experimental countryside full of geodesic domes. Or of the Modernist glass-walled country house in Evelyn Waugh's "Decline and Fall" (which the conservative Waugh wanted to mock, of course, but I pictured in my head as something wonderful when I read it).In fact, some of my favourite images ever are pictures of super-advanced ideas -- ultra-modern houses, for instance -- set in "unspoiled" rural landscapes. Last week I rented the DVD of Goff in the Desert, a film which documents all of Bruce Goff's amazing spacey-organic buildings in their suburban and country locations. Their weird originality blows away most of what any city can offer. (In the commentary, though, director Heinz Emigholz makes it clear that the desert of his title is a metaphorical one -- Goff's inventiveness is very much the exception in suburban and rural America.)

Whenever an "advanced" building pops up in the country, though, it's financed from the city, occupied by a city-dweller or worker who wants a retreat, driven to from the city, and built by an architect who studied in the city. The ferment of ideas that created the building is one that the conservative countryside itself could never provide.
Let's take an example. Kathryn Findlay is a Scottish architect, a graduate of London's AA, who's spent a lot of her working life in Tokyo making, in collaboration with her then-husband Eisaku Ushida, radical houses like the Truss Wall House and the Soft and Hairy House. Findlay has most recently been working on the amazing Grafton New Hall, a starfish-shaped country house in Cheshire.
Findlay talks in an interview with Sarah Dunant archived on the BBC's site about her influences. She grew up in the countryside in Scotland, the daughter of a sheep farmer. "That's where I got my interest in landscape," she says. "I don't see architecture as defined by walls, but by walking and paths and routes through landscape... It's easy to start with a box and fill it in. but if you start with the notion of a route through a solid form, then you excavate the space out of it, conceptually it's a different starting point, so it's harder to get there."Now, this is certainly a response to a country upbringing, but it's also full of the kind of Situationism and Psychogeography Findlay must have encountered in London at the Architecture Association. She's also been crucially influenced by her twenty years in Japan (she's back in Scotland now). Not just her work with Japanese architects like Arata Isozaki and her husband. "The Japanese tea ceremony, calligraphy, they're not derived from fine arts," she says; in Japan "all the arts come from the way people live. It's not a visually-led culture. It combines all of the senses. People get inspiration from sound, from scent, from texture, and they combine it in a way that Western architecture traditionally hasn't done to the same extent."
The dialectic between city and country is clear in Findlay's own career, but it's also built into the tradition of the British country house she's now inserting her radical Cheshire starfish house into. It's being constructed -- at a cost of about £20 million -- by entrepreneur Mel Hood, who's decided to start building it without having found a buyer. Initially, at least, it will be his own home.

"Grafton New Hall will be the most important residential building of its time," Hood told Manchester Online. "This design is one of the first country houses to be given planning permission since a Department of Environment edict issued in 1997 that insists only houses of 'outstanding architectural quality' can be built in the countryside."
Jonathan Glancey in The Guardian explains that shocking restriction further:
"This extraordinary design is, in fact, one of the first country houses to be given planning permission since John Gummer's PPG7, a Department of Environment edict issued in 1997. This insists that houses can be built in the countryside only if they are of "outstanding architectural quality". Mr Gummer's edict was, in part, a reaction to the property boom of the 1980s when kitsch houses financed by instant City fortunes spread across rural shires. Since Mr Gummer's edict, few country houses have been built. This is not for a lack of potential patrons, but for a lack of suitable land. Those in pursuit of a perfect country retreat wish to build in the very tracts of unspoilt land that the department has been determined to save from inappropriate development."
Glancey quotes Findlay's argument for the radicalism of the countryside: "Traditionally, the great English country house was long a radical building type - think of buildings like Hardwick Hall in Derbyshire or Holkham Hall on the north Norfolk coast: they must have seemed astonishing at the time of their construction. Our house might seem a little out of this world, but in a sense it's connecting the English country house back to its tradition of innovation as well as connoisseurship."
Mel Hood agrees. "New money from the towns has always flowed into the country because of the prestige and privacy that a country house affords, so Grafton New Hall is in line with this 'heritage of progressive architecture'. Hailed as "a remarkable attempt to redefine a form of domestic architecture", the intention is for the house to blend effortlessly into its surroundings and be as "ecologically responsible" as possible."
But Alan Powers in The Spectator doesn't buy these arguments that today's innovation is tomorrow's tradition. He thinks Kathryn Findlay's design is more like a discarded pizza box than a natural, self-effacing starfish. "The bad side of 'a heritage of progressive architecture' in country houses is that it has nothing to do with the country (and the same goes for any architectural style), and everything to do with status and display".
The same goes for any architectural style? What, there should be no building at all in the country? Mankind is a vain strutting peacock and should be shut up in the city's zoo?
I want to give the last word to Glancey. "Innovative English country houses have been as rare as hen's teeth since the 1930s," he says. "Many observers believed the building type had come to its natural end with the second world war and the meltdown of the traditional class structure."
Could it be that there hasn't been a countryside "more advanced than the city" since Feudal times, when society's most dynamic and cosmopolitan class was the aristocracy, those country-dwelling, Ming-importing clipper-setters?
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Date: 2007-04-06 11:38 am (UTC)a) To afford New York rent you have to do things which will totally make you "regret life"?
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b) Your "local" record store is Amazon.com?
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Date: 2007-04-06 12:58 pm (UTC)I think Sartre's insistence on constant re-invention would make him skilled at typing the unfamiliar, but he'd be pretty lousy as a typist in general, I think, because speed in typing is all about the fingers going where they've been many times before
And as for more topical matters,
this
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Date: 2007-04-06 01:12 pm (UTC)In the country, the people you come across are probably members of your own income group. You're not alternately walking by giant towers and homeless people every day. You're less exposed to differences of all sorts. As cities grow and became more cosmopolitan, it becomes harder to maintain a feeling that who you are and your ideas of "truth" are absolute.
A progressive-minded person like Whimsy can live in the country but his outlook and level of learning are not typical of a country dweller.
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Date: 2007-04-06 04:08 pm (UTC)the country and the city
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Date: 2007-04-06 03:45 pm (UTC)but I also like the those manor houses with thier renaissance paintings and Art Nouveau furniture, and the quaint little cottages.
I guess I'm just sick of semi-detached houses here in London...
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Date: 2007-04-06 03:52 pm (UTC)In contrast, my electrician neighbor is reliably pleasant: He could give a damn about what my moustache "signifies", and his boys dig my highwheel. These things can bring snarky, hypercritical comments in a city, but the humble disapsorans I live among just shrug and say, "Yeah, he's a little odd, but that's just Al". But then, I've always lived among blue-collar sorts--the upper-middle suburban tightasses are a different species altogether. Wasteful, sterile, bitchy, anxious, bad taste--I can't possibly defend them. I suspect their children are the more odious sort of urbanites I'd mentioned a moment ago.
I couldn't possibly do what I do for a living without my computer and modem; I can chat with my agent and work on fun projects for world-renowned museums, yet still enjoy my garden (this means no commuting). New York is where I visit friends and bring my pigs to market, but I couldn't live as richly there as I can here. My idea of luxury is too intertwined with rare frogs and bog orchids.
I love the energy, the richness, the density, the improvisation, the innovation of New York--I spend a good deal of time there. I'm just waiting for it to evolve into something a bit more humane, perhaps one might say, modern.
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Date: 2007-04-06 03:56 pm (UTC)Few seem respectful of the fact that while a city takes a mere century to establish, the most humble insect takes millions of years to come about. People can become coarsened by their urban environs, and unable to appreciate the joy of just being, just as much as the bumpkins can be blind to the joys of thinking.
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Date: 2007-04-06 04:35 pm (UTC)i think it's interesting how many utopias center themselves in rural areas, away from cities. there's a certain amount of utopianism going into the desire to create strange buildings in rural areas -- it seems anti-cosmopolitan in the sense that it attempts to separate itself from the buildings of the city, yet at the same time it is trying to create a new world that is distinctly cosmopolitan in the way it tries to juxtapose two supposedly contrasting elements against each other and create a new landscape of cosmopolitanism. i dunno. i think it reflects the paradoxes of cosmopolitanism (which has a place/which has no place).
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Date: 2007-04-06 05:36 pm (UTC)I think the anti-cosmopolitanism you've described is indeed just cosmopolitanism starting anew, breaking from an ossified shell. I play with juxtaposing disparate ideas--the 'rustic dandy'--to see which qualities fall aside and which become more robust and form something new, something I can enrich my life with. I couldn't do this in a circumscribed environment (define 'circumscribed', right?). Context limits one's appropriations, especially a context which goes against one's proclivities.
The countryside may not be as "sophisticated" as an urban center, but it is far more intricate in texture. In some ways, urbanization is a process of simplification, switching out intricate, organic processes for crude, mechanistic ones. I hope this might change in the future--the city I would love to live in has not yet been made.
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Date: 2007-04-06 05:15 pm (UTC)What would Marx say?
Date: 2007-04-06 05:31 pm (UTC)"The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. Just as it has made the country dependent on the towns, so it has made barbarian and semi-barbarian countries dependent on the civilised ones, nations of peasants on nations of bourgeois, the East on the West."
Hmm...
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Date: 2007-04-06 07:36 pm (UTC)The rest is a Punch and Judy show gone awry, and yet the spirit lives whimsical.
http://www.punchandjudy.com/home.htm
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Date: 2007-04-06 07:07 pm (UTC)I really love Toyo Ito's spa design, located in Torrevieja on the Costa Blanca in Spain. "The site, next to an inland lake, was landscaped by Ito to resemble a sand dune. The three structures, which contain baths, dining facilities, and a reception area, are built of steel and wood, covered, in some cases, by plywood roofs. The skeletal forms recall either shells or some sort of animal..."
Note how the organic forms mimic living things that wash up on the shores of oceans and lakes. Marvelous. Even the shadows seem to blend in with the setting. I wonder what is it about Spain that brings out these curvilinear, spiny, yet serene forms from architects around the world?
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Date: 2007-04-06 07:52 pm (UTC)- John F.F.
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Date: 2007-04-07 01:41 am (UTC)Or to take it a step further, the natural world doesn't really need our species. We humans tend to spoil it for other living things, wherever we land. Indicator species in decline, like frogs, are a perfect example of that. If Homosapians were to experience a mass extinction tomorrow, (buh-bye!) the world that remained would continue without pause and biodiversity would (probably? possibly?) increase. At least that's an eco-centric angle in contrast to the homo-centric city/country debate. That said, I prefer the country, live there when I can, and try to tread lightly. The internet is a huge boon to quiet loving, connected, thinking introverts like me.
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Date: 2007-04-07 11:39 am (UTC)you seriously need to unplug, and grow a garden and live off it... you'll need to do this for at least three years to get a feel for your soil / microclimate.
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