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As 2006 fades, we can wave goodbye to Apple's rather amusing Chiat-Day "Hi, I'm a Mac" ad campaign. According to press reports Justin Long, who plays the Steve-Jobs-looking Mac guy next to John Hodgman's tubby Bill-Gates-looking PC guy, is sick of the role and won't be doing any more after the December ads Goodwill and Gift Exchange.



I've been particularly interested in how the ads draw not just on the Jobs-Gates rivalry, but on hip v. square stereotypes that have floated around in US culture since the 1940s. They rhyme, for instance, with the Jim Henson sketch for the Ed Sullivan Show in which switched-on hipster Kermit tries to educate a square on "visual thinking".

Naturally, I've been terribly interested to see that one of the requirements of Justin Long's hipster character is to speak fluent Japanese. The Networking ad shows him holding hands not just with PC guy, but also a cute new digital camera-girl from Japan, with whom he's able to converse fluently. There's a clumsy parody of the ad on YouTube which only confirms the awfulness of the PC mentality: "See, I speak different languages," explains Mac guy. "Why?" counters PC guy, with a smug pragmatism which comes off as stupid racism, "We live in the United States".

Over on Apple Japan's website, meanwhile, both the PC guy and the Mac guy are cool enough to speak Japanese; that won't suffice to differentiate them. And, in a more consensual, collectivist culture -- one that's tended to resist comparison advertising -- is differentiation even the name of the game?

But these are, by and large, the same Chiat Day ads, with the same scripts, played by actors wearing the same clothing signifiers -- a business suit versus sharp-but-casual leisure wear. "Pasokon", the Japanese PC guy, is notably cooler and slimmer than his American counterpart, sporting a better head of hair, despite the kakaricho side-parting. When it comes to cultural specifics, of course, some changes have had to be made. The US Seasonal Greetings ads have been replaced, in Japan, by a New Year's Card ad.

Nengajo cards are what the Japanese send the way we send Christmas cards. They're cards you buy from the post office in December, either blank or sporting an image, but in either case stamped with a lottery number which will bring gifts to some lucky recipients when the draw comes up in January. The idea is that you customize the blank cards with your own drawings, woodblock stamps, and so on, usually representing the animal of the Chinese New Year. 2007's animal is the boar.

"Cute pig!" says Pasokon, looking at the nengajo card homeprinted using iLife. "Uh, it's a boar, actually," corrects Mac, demonstrating that if "cool" in America is tied up with speaking Japanese, in Japan it's tied up with superior knowledge of Chinese astrology. Chalk one up for orthopraxy -- here the cool points are awarded for "proper social behavior and adherence to ritual as the key to aligning the cosmos". It's enough to get Marxy and me -- the Mac and PC guys of Japanthropology -- slapping each other on the back in a gesture of heartwarming seasonal detente.
From: [identity profile] toddius.livejournal.com
The weird thing about those ads is that the PC guy John Hodgman is in "real life" much cooler and hipper than the TV star Mac dude. Hodgman hosted literary events in NYC for years, has a very funny book and appears regularly on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. His comic timing is way better as well.

just tumbled out of the Diesel shop

Date: 2006-12-29 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
ABSOLUTELY, the PC guys are way cooler in both cases.

the best japanese hagaki, still used by some, are planks of wood.
Beuys -- pakkuri ??

Image

PLANKS

Date: 2006-12-29 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toddius.livejournal.com
That is so awesome. This is how I'm spending my long weekend; carving woodblocks to send through the post to my favorite people
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
...John Hodgman is in "real life" much cooler

John Hodgman is not an uncool guy but he plays one on TV
From: (Anonymous)
Hodgman is also a well-known Mac user.
They could definitely have done better than to go for the Keanu Reeves everyman, empty-slate, nil personality thing. Or if they wanted someone you could project yourself onto, yes, they could have remained noncommittal and had a more interesting appearance.
The trend Apple has taken the past few years has really been to attempt to provide the best kind of blankness, as open as possible to your interpretation. I liked the colors they used to have, though, in their logo and briefly in their computers, and I predict a return, eventually.

-ian

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Date: 2006-12-29 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What's great is that Apple loyalists are the kinds of people who put down this kind of low advertising, but when their own sweetheart does it, they look the other way.

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Date: 2006-12-29 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
Nah, we hate that shit

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Date: 2006-12-29 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
can't damn look the other way, there's an apple store over there too.

bad feeling over my macbook pro purchase but my first choice, the portable solaris box, wieghts about 10 kilos.

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Date: 2006-12-29 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
All those ads are vile. Only you could find something Japan=good, America=bad in them.

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Date: 2006-12-29 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Oh, I don't think that's my point here at all. My deeper point -- and I'd love someone to address it -- is how Japanese values can be conservative in Japan and liberal outside it, or how the meanings of values change completely with context.

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Date: 2006-12-29 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
collectivism vs. individualism
I suppose. The wild maverick vs. the guy who participates in cultural activities. I dunno, I think the collective vs. individual thing is much smaller than people think.

I like that many here in the US think America is the hippest culture to emulate. In reality, Japan is the hippest culture around the world. We're a little behind the times.
I like when we emulate their culture but still put ourselves in a position of power. Gwen Stefani appropriated that late 90s Tokyo street style but she has those little servants.

I don't even know if conservative Japanese traits can be considered liberal in the US. They're just different?? Could you extrapolate and say that left vs. right conflicts are not based on concrete values but on the inevitable tension between what is traditional and what is liberal/subversive/new? It's very Tao.

One thing I'm wondering is if you could classify either as kind-spirited or mean-spirited. There's a smug wink to the side in each, for sure, though.

Have you brought up these commercials before? I feel like you have. I distinctly remember a discussion about how they play on classes that don't exist anymore. Maybe about how billionaires dress like hip skateboarders?

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It helps to know the Creative Director of these ads, Barton Corley, is basically a Japanophile: speaks Japanese, has a Japanese girlfriend, and spent many years as a copywriter at W+K Tokyo previous to Chiat LA. So when I saw that networking ad, it was absolutely clear that the script is written with his own personal experience and feelings in mind, whether that be speaking Japanese is progressive, or whatever. Anyway not being an American, still he is demonstrating an image of cool to an American (or I suppose all english speaking) Mac audience.

Thinking of it from this perspective makes it less of a cultural stereotypes issue and having more to do with one man's point view, although I suppose in advertising its not surprising that the views of an "elite" cadre of people who often think they are cooler than everyone become transferred into a cultural transmission to a vast audience.

About collectivism vs. individuality, I don't know that it needs to enter much into this. Personally I have found that most the Japanese people who have become dear to me are all extremely individual, and it's a dangerous stereotype to expect that the whole nation and race is somehow similar or acting together. That being said, Japan is a very homogeneous place, and the racial purity and low foreigner content is part of that. For this reason, Japanese are very good at honing in on detail, and an outsider looking at those Japanese Apple ads may see both characters as cool whereas a Japanese person is attuned to the detail in that character that is clearly portraying him as a square: They have the cultural background to know in an instant that fool's got no bitches.

Yeah, I'd pick the Japanese "PC" businessman to go drinking with over his American counterpart because he somehow seems "cooler". But the average Japanese might do the opposite. To comprehend why that person thinks dasai when they look at that PC character, while at the same time he has some kind of cultural capital to the westerner: That's the real challenge here.

-shane

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Date: 2006-12-29 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'd pick the Japanese "PC" businessman to go drinking with over his American counterpart because he somehow seems "cooler".

He would probably know where all the good strip joints are if I have my Japanese businessman stereotype right.

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Date: 2006-12-30 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
Or all the good subway groping spots. Any more to cover?

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Date: 2006-12-31 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
It helps to know the Creative Director of these ads, Barton Corley, is basically a Japanophile: speaks Japanese, has a Japanese girlfriend, and spent many years as a copywriter at W+K Tokyo previous to Chiat LA.

This is interesting biographical insight, but is advertising really as auteurist as that explanation implies? In other words, are you allowed to let your personal fetishes show through to that extent? Isn't all personal eccentricity on the part of the "creatives" replaced by marketing data which ensures the right demographic thinks the right thing?

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Date: 2006-12-29 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
I like that many here in the US think America is the hippest culture to emulate.

Americans are resting on thier laurels. After giving the world jazz, blues and rock and roll they think they can sit back and invade defenseless countries.

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Date: 2006-12-29 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hm, I can read between the lines here. You're advocating that we enslave another race so that a couple hundred years after the fact a couple of new artforms sprout up. Well, last I checked slavery is not cool anymore, pal. Where do you get off making such a suggestion!?

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Date: 2006-12-29 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
Where do you get off making such a suggestion!?

I never made any such suggestion. If you're going to make accusations like this then sign you're name.

Last I checked Louis Armstrong and Robert Johnson were Americans.

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Date: 2006-12-30 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
What, TCP/IP isn't enough for you? :)

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bricology.livejournal.com
I haven't actually lived in Japan (although I visit once or twice a year), so you'd know about this better than I, but I think that there's a difference between the respective efforts to learn the other nation's language. Japanese kids are taught English in school (required?), and older Japanese people generally only study it for business purposes. American kids are hard-pressed to find Japanese classes, and older Americans generally study it because of a cultural interest. Interest in (what seems to be) a vastly different culture is xenophilic; interest in international business is just as likely to be conservative.

What I find amusing is the Mac presumption that there's a significant difference between its "culture" and the "PC culture", when that's never been demonstrated (to my satisfaction, anyway), and that it's a worthy topic for an ad campaign. In a way, I find it more of an American idea, as it plays up rivalries where there are, in fact, more commonalties. Gates is a jeans, button-down shirt and tweed sportcoat guy, Jobs is a black pants, black sportcoat and t-shirt guy. Both of them strike me as as middle-of-the-road as can be imagined. I think Mac v/s PC is more like two opposing sports teams than two opposing cultures or value systems.
















I Find This Post To Be Suprisingly Annoying

Date: 2006-12-29 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] subtechnique.livejournal.com
Momus:

My deeper point -- and I'd love someone to address it -- is how Japanese values can be conservative in Japan and liberal outside it, or how the meanings of values change completely with context.


....................


Yes, that would be an interesting discussion but I must admit finding the way you accepted the American ad campaign's premise -- even as you tried to sit outside of it as a commentator -- simultaneously ironic, off-putting and distracting.


What do I mean?

Your description of John Hodgman as "tubby" and, compared to Japan's "Pasokon", uncool with relatively bad hair wasn't merely a comment on the structure of the commercials and the 'message' they're designed to put across but a reflection of your bias in favor of certain sorts of people (and body shapes?) and Apple products as fall out of bed, easy-does-it indicators of stylishness and cosmopolitanism.

Of course, as Toddius and Akabe have pointed out, in 'real life' Hodgeman is quite thoroughly cool, your apparent fixation on his waistline as a counter-cool signifier notwithstanding. Indeed, in the United States, even outside of Hodgman fan circles (Google "Little Grey Book Lectures" if you're unfamiliar), the reaction to the ad campaign has been somewhat the opposite of what Apple expected: Justin Long's character is perceived by many to be a bit too smug in his youthful hipness and Hodgman, casted to come off as comparatively dull, is beloved as a charming persona.

Re: I Find This Post To Be Suprisingly Annoying

Date: 2006-12-29 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Justin Long's character is perceived by many to be a bit too smug in his youthful hipness and Hodgman, casted to come off as comparatively dull, is beloved as a charming persona.

Yep. I think the ads are entertaining, but one still comes away from the spots with the impression that Long's entitled trust-funded Mac character is wearing expensive designer boxer briefs underneath his "casual" clothes and that Hodgman's PC character is a poor working stiff in tighty whiteys who has never had a haircut that cost more than $20.

Re: I Find This Post To Be Suprisingly Annoying

Date: 2006-12-29 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What's wrong with a trust fund? How do you think I got this $1500 computer? Or this place on Bedford? By working!?

Re: I Find This Post To Be Suprisingly Annoying

Date: 2006-12-29 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
You're right--you can't help it. I'm sorry. Please extend my apologies to the Strokes. ;)

Re: I Find This Post To Be Suprisingly Annoying

Date: 2006-12-29 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You pay $20 plus for that barnet? My Granmother could do better with a pudding basin and a pair of secateurs...show us a daguerreotype of your boxer briefs drawer and a swift riposte in the whiteys Sir Smugsy.

eh meh jeh

Date: 2006-12-29 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mongoltrophies.livejournal.com
You mean the old thing of wanting others to be Others, which they can accomplish more readily as conservatives retentive to a ghostly nationalist ideal? Japanese do a better job of being unlike Americans when adherent to what their values were when it meant something for the two countries to be on opposite sides of the largest ocean. We want to see from our perspective of anything goes, for many things to not go, or to go in unexpected, novel directions that we can easily encapsulate in a paragraph or a photo, without needing to fully understand.
You do a good job of making a positive case for exoticism, Peter Pan. To be pat, we can cast Commodore Perry as Captain Hook. Quick, someone do a flash animation.

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Date: 2006-12-29 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georgesdelatour.livejournal.com
It's a cliche that the US has an individualist culture while Japan has a collectivist one.

But my impression is that the USA is actually a rather collectivist society. It has the world's biggest military, and military might requires collective coordination. It has the world's biggest space program - ditto. Its dominant art form is cinema - ditto. To make a movie depicting Bruce Willis as a maverick loner requires massive collective effort by make-up artists, stunt coordinators, set designers, key grips, best boys etc.

When I first went to the USA my biggest shock was how law abiding people were of even the most irksome petty laws. An English pedestrian considers it her right, nay her duty, to jaywalk at all times even when she doesn't have any reason to do so; to us, American observance of "Don't Walk" signs seems incredibly conformist. Italian or French motorists are real "rebels" of the highway; not Americans, in my experience. Oh, and American bylaws preventing people from having alcoholic drinks on the street, and their strong enforcement, are really surprising to me; at the height of the Terror of the 1930s, I doubt that Stalin could have enforced such measures on the Russians.

The US is collectivist, but pretends not to be

Date: 2006-12-29 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pop--kandy.livejournal.com
Particularly since the New Deal and the Great Society initiatives of FDR and LBJ respectively, US society has lots of centralized agencies working for its citizens. The _idea_ of being an individualist rebel, however, is extremely marketable, and thus we have beer, cigarettes, McMansions in the suburbs with six inch gaps between each, and retired dentists buying Harleys so they can pretend to be badass biker dudes on the weekend.

Politically, of course, this provides fodder for "small government" types who want to turn all of this over to the benevolent charities of their billionaire cronies, or the private sector, or people's own initiative. (and yes, dems do this as often as repubs; remember Clinton's Workfare?)

To do a mac/pc comparison of my own, here in Canada we see these sorts of collective solutions as part of our national DNA, multiculturalism is the norm, and the Marlboro Man ethos really never took hold. And at least in Montreal, we jaywalk like crazy (despite sporadic attempts to crack down on it).

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Date: 2006-12-29 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
I'd have to say that my own impressions of America, from time spent there, are very similar. Even as the guest in a very unconventional household, I found there were strong and - to me - very surprising pressures to conform and take part in whatever group activity was happening at the time.

Of course, America is vast, and so on, and I was unwilling to draw conclusions, but the impressions remain.

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Date: 2006-12-29 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bricology.livejournal.com
The biggest rebel ever to be in the Hell's Angels would be the one who would ride up one day on a Japanese cruiser bike, just before all the other "rebels" in the club kicked the shit out of him for not conforming.

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Date: 2006-12-29 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qscrisp.livejournal.com
Yes, this is perfectly true.

I thought again about what I'd written, after I wrote it, which is what usually happens, and of course one's own conformity is often (not always, mind you) invisible to oneself.

One thing that did strike me about my own experience of America, was something similar to what our host, Mr Momus, wrote a while back about Dionysus and Jesus. It was really only after going to America that I felt Britain to be quite a pagan sort of place. It suddenly seemed to me a very tribal, Celtic kind of culture, in distinction to the clean-cut Protestant culture of the States. (Much as I hate to drag science into these things, science, apparently bears me out and tells us - just recently - that the Scots, Welsh and the English, are, genetically speaking, basically Celtic, the Anglo part of the English being much exaggerated, in terms of blood, at least. But then, the same Anglo aspect of America is presumably also just as Celtic, which means it's down to nurture rather than nature, after all.) I did sense some kind of over-arching American identity (thinking here of immigrants displaying stars and stripes proudly in porches and other such things) but it seemed of a different kind altogether than the British, and I couldn't quite get a handle on it.

Well, excuse a rambling a probably irrelevant post.

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Date: 2006-12-30 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
well, one way to look at it would be that japan has to work so hard at being and looking collectivist precisely besause those very qualities are seriously lacking.

Or conversly, the collectivist dominant ideology actually produces monadic, isolated individuals.

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Date: 2006-12-29 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
there's a radical difference here , i'm surprised no-one seems to be noticing it. in the japanese ad BOTH guys are actually officially cool. diesel cool vs. towa tei/meiwa denki cool. 和

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Date: 2006-12-29 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
Chinese astrology is really fascinating. Did you know that you where born in the year of the Rat, Momus?

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Date: 2006-12-30 03:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That's why he thinks he left britain
mixu62

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Date: 2006-12-30 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...he thinks Britain is a sinking ship?
mixu62

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Date: 2006-12-31 09:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
It's not only rats who would leave a sinking ship, eh?

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Date: 2006-12-29 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
shane, regarding your "racial purity" comment,
japanese is not a "race" it's an ethnicity. would
you call cambodians a separate "race?" would you
call iranians a separate "race?" how about laotians?

and as far as "purity" goes, this is an an old myth
that feeds into japan's war-time mongering and belief
of being descendants of amateratsu, the sun goddess.
right-wing wackos love to wax on about japanese
"purity" (not you shane, conservative japanese who
want to see this myth perpetuated) and when they
do just remind them of the ainu, burakumin, koreans
and chinese who make up their "pure race." the notion
of any "purity of race" is as fascistic as it is fallacious.

people like Yasuhiro Nakasone can help you understand
this ridiculous notion of japanese "purity." (he once quipped
that the different (non-caucasian) ethnicities that make up
the USA have helped fuel the country's intellectual degeneration.

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Date: 2006-12-29 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brunorubio.livejournal.com
I can't stand the mac guy. I'm a mac user, and yeah. Wow. I relate way more to the tired, pudgy, cynical but affable guy from the Daily Show, then I do to a snarky flat-arsed know-it-all from Ben Stiller comedy (Dodgeball)

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Date: 2006-12-29 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinylboy20.livejournal.com
Without those ads, where will I get my random 30-second doses of Hodg-man?

I like VH1's Best Week Ever take on the ads: Mac guy is a trust fund baby who makes crappy podcasts and mash-ups, and PC guy is a responsible guy with a job.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d522bxLm_Nc

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Date: 2006-12-29 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is this a sly dig at Momus, who recently did a mash-up and has done many podcasts in the past?

Is Momus a trust fund baby?

Date: 2006-12-29 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Around Santa Cruz, they call white guys with dreadlocks and trust funds "Trustafarians"

Sadly I have no dreadlocks nor trustfund.

tv ads and all else that doesn't matter

Date: 2006-12-29 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Who really cares what type of computer you buy? Are you really seriously effected or entertained by substandard comedy tv adds that pat you on the back for paying more for a laptop than someone that uses a pc? What does it matter? It doesn't. Computers are another easily accessible dumb/friendly tool that can either help or hinder everything in your life; often fucking up anything people concider art, be it image sound or otherwise, making every person that has a digital camera or a hacked copy of protools into their own easy-bake star that oversaturates the medium with boring output to sift through...no matter what brand you are tapping away at. If you have a true desire to do anything useful with a computer the brand or user interface will have no real plus or minus at all; pc is mac is pc at that point because it will ideally remain as only a useful tool. Don't you agree?
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