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I'm catching a plane to Spain later today, and, as always when I dip into a foreign culture, I'll be filing observations into two rough categories -- "that's typically Spanish" and "this is an indication of how Spain is changing". Of course, I'll make mistakes, wrong attributions. I'll probably see something new and think it's old, or see an anomaly and think it's a core part of Spanish identity, or see something local and think it's national, or see something Muslim and think it's Spanish. And actually, that last example shows how blurred these sorts of attributions can get. Where do you draw that particular line, when Spain was a Muslim nation for 800 years? The answer is partly political. You draw the line not just descriptively, but prescriptively. To designate this Spanish and that Muslim would be a political statement, and you'd make it according to your philosophy.

This issue -- and it's an interesting one -- comes up a lot in the clashes and crusades that go on over at Neomarxisme. Marxy often takes a stand against "Nihonjinron essentialists", people who talk about the Japanese character or way of life as if it were something unchanging. An example came up the other day, where he mocked the Nihonjinron Essentialists (let's call them NEs) for saying that Japan is a culture based on fish and rice, and failing to account for all the hamburgers now eaten in Japan. (This came as part of a wider argument -- well, a narrower one, actually -- about alleged links between Japan's visually-based writing system and its robustly visual manga culture.) The NE Marxy was actually answering there was Donald Richie, but a thinly-veiled parody of my writing style suggests I was also a target.

Actually, Marxy is being somewhat essentialist about the essentialism of my position on national character. It isn't as rigid as he'd like to believe. Anyone who's read my Japanese are almost Japanese piece will see that I think of national character as a construct (but also real), something that has to be learned by Japanese in pretty much the same way it's learned by foreigners.

Do nations change their habits and their character? Of course they do. But that doesn't mean there isn't a national character and a national habitus. Over the weekend I posted two pieces about the US (one about a 1959 General Motors film about design, one about the CIA's use of culture to influence post-war Europe). Click Opera reader [livejournal.com profile] bricology got annoyed. "Be angry at the Bush Administration, be indignant at American corporations (I won't disagree on either count). But please -- enough with saying that America and Americans "are" this or that thing, as if such finite classifications were possible. You might as well criticize randomly generated numbers."

The irony is that this belief that a culture is no more than "randomly generated numbers" is a particularly American one. American culture encourages people to look at the level of the individual ("someone in particular"), and the level of universality ("everyone in the world"), but shies away from the intermediate group level -- the level where you can talk anthropologically or sociologically about people collectively at lower levels than "everyone".

The Guardian has an interesting article today about US census bureau data, and the picture it paints of a changing -- but distinct -- nation. Look, for instance, at how the attitudes of university entrants in the US have changed between 1970 and 2005.

"In 1970, 85% of university entrants thought abortion should be legalised, 59% thought capital punishment should be abolished and 57% aimed to keep up with political affairs. By 2005, those figures had fallen to 55% in favour of legalised abortion, 33% against capital punishment, and 36% who aimed to follow politics. And while in 1970, 79% of university entrants said they had a personal objective of 'developing a meaningful philosophy of life', by last year 75% defined their objective as 'being very well off financially'."

The Guardian then goes back to the first statistical aggregate of an American census, made in 1878. America then was a very different nation, with most of its population clustered around a few North-Eastern states in which the majority of immigrants were white Europeans. Their lives revolved around relatively dense inner cities, the post office and the railway network. What generalizations about Americans could take in both these people and the car-dependent suburban people -- many of them Hispanics and Asians -- we call Americans today?

The answer is that the fact that American identity has changed in response to the historical, demographic and technological context doesn't mean there is no such thing as American identity. To be American is more than to be a series of "randomly generated numbers". People who think it's all random radically underestimate the effects of culture, socialization, ideology, politics and myth. For instance, how to explain the apparent ethical paradox revealed by the Guardian stats towards the value of human life? Support for abortion is falling in the US, and support for the death penalty rising. The answer doesn't lie in ethics, but in politics. These apparently inconsistent beliefs make sense when seen as parts of a political package -- conservatism -- which is gaining ground in the US. Conservatives assert that abortion is bad and capital punishment good, therefore these beliefs are perceived as consistent.

People hold inconsistent beliefs if they perceive them to be part of a package. Ironically, despite the lowering of stated interest in politics revealed by the US census, people hold clusters of beliefs which are entirely political, in the sense that they're only "consistent" when you see them along party political lines rather than ethical ones. They have, in other words, a mythical consistency. And the thing people forget about myths is that they're perfectly real.

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Date: 2006-12-15 10:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Have you heard the news: Robbie Williams smokes on stage in Australia!

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Date: 2006-12-17 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red66.livejournal.com
yes he did , and i was there, 20 feet away,and i'm still alive, although the hairs on my throat were scorched by the heat from the theatrical fireballs..:)

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Date: 2006-12-15 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georgesdelatour.livejournal.com
Presumably, in the 1970s, a far smaller proportion of the US population got to university. So the seeming rise of right wing attitudes among students may simply mean that more Alf Garnett types are getting there than used to.

I'm sure I've read, in several places, that enthusiasm for capital punishment is actually falling in America. A majority still want it (as they do in the UK and Europe), but the margin is falling.

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Date: 2006-12-15 11:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You make a dangerous "essentialist" assumption that "university students" of 1970 are somehow the same thing as "university students" in 2005 - the same constituency but one which has changed its beliefs. Not so. There were far fewer university students in 1970; they belonged to a more privileged group and were more skewed towards the liberal bastions of the east/west coast. Today, you'll find students are a much larger and culturally far broader constituency, with greater southern and red state input than in 1970. In fact, the sons and daughters of 1970 students are probably no more likely to be against legalised abortion or in favour of the death penalty; the uni intake is simply a little more nationally representative than it used to be.

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Date: 2006-12-15 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Robbie has fallen out with Elton!

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Date: 2006-12-16 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterkoninkje.livejournal.com
But even so, that too says something about the changing demographics of America. Those who go to college are still an affluent and privileged minority. If the face of college students is changing, then so too is the face of privileged affluent Americans. All the same, America is changing and conservatism is reigning stronger among the political and financial elite. And those who are not elite will change their lifestyles to emulate the elite just as always (until the point where they decide to rebel and set themselves up as the new elite as has happened in art and politics time and again; and those with money will do whatever it means to be elite, because they can and that's what people with money do). Whether the absolute proportion of conservatives has changed or not (and I most certainly believe it has), the absolute proportion is not so important as which portion it is.

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Date: 2006-12-15 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tyrsalvia.livejournal.com
I think the reason that your friend got so upset is that those of us who are American and liberal/progressive are utterly horrified to be lumped in with the conservative assholes. Individualism is our escape from being seen as one of "those" Americans who support the war and hate abortion and love George Bush. It's deeply embarassing to share a country with those creeps, and the idea that I could be seen as one of them just by virtue of being American is utterly galling. Individuality is safe because I can control that and I'm comfortable being judged on my own shit, but being judged on the stuff that is done by a very large group of people to which I do not belong... that's really upsetting.

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Date: 2006-12-15 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Of course. Just as all men are impugned when a man starts murdering prostitutes in Suffolk. The only positive aspect to this is that our horror at such associations might make us try to improve our gender, or vote strategically to minimize the power the creeps have to "represent" us in the political process.

The thing is, though, there are so many creeps. For instance, the newspapers most bought in the UK are the ones read by creeps whose politics I utterly abhor; the Daily Mail, The Sun. I would be pretty unrealistic if I asserted that these huge circulations have nothing to do with the proclivities and attitudes of the typical British person though.

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Date: 2006-12-15 12:22 pm (UTC)
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The thing is, though, I'm an American, culturally, and I actively reject that fundamentalist worldview you describe. This isn't because I'm an individualist; I consider myself to be a communitarian. Rather, I'm just not a culturally conservative USAdian.

Also, I believe that culture is a much broader set of assumptions than that. Mark Rosenfelder had a great checklist (http://www.zompist.com/amercult.html) for Americans and others who doubt the existence of culture to test their broadest set of cultural assumptions. I can see myself in it, and see how others necessarily mightn't.

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Date: 2006-12-15 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenicurean.livejournal.com
Spain was a Muslim nation for 800 years.

I believe what you meant to say is that a varying part of modern Spain was several predominantly Muslim nations for about 1200 years. But I'm a nitpicker like that.

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Date: 2006-12-16 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
The Muslim world is actively working to make Spain another Muslim country along with the rest of Europe, complete with the same laws from 1200 years ago!

Just think, soon you'll either be praying to Mecca 5 times per day and stoning your female relatives for going out without an escort, or you'll be killed for not converting! HUZZAH FOR PROGRESSIVISM!

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Date: 2006-12-15 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The "decrease" in pro-abortion, anti-capital punishment, life philosophy-seeking college students has less to do with an American attitude shift and more to do with the fact that more and more lower middle class folks are going to college. The result is that college campuses look like high schools now, filled with hoodlums and rednecks, and the curriculum is dumbed down to accomodate everyone.

-henryperri

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Date: 2006-12-17 07:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"More and more lower middle class folks are going to college"...."hoodlums(poor black folks?) & rednecks(poor white folks?)"...Perhaps you should go to college and get some of that 'dumbed down' knowledge

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Date: 2006-12-15 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The 1970s were the peak of the liberal movement in the U.S. Then followed the conservative backlash, which continues today. The thing about politics is that it changes.

There are lefties and righties in every country, and the U.S. political spectrum actually happens to lean liberal in the grand scheme of world political systems. Only on issues like the death penalty, abortion, and the level of government involvement in providing social welfare do Americans come out conservative -- in comparison to Western Europe. Moreover, these issues are no Litmus test of liberalness. The Chinese government (as an example) has no qualms about allowing abortion, but by no means is it politically liberal.

The American conservative position on abortion is more consistent along religious/cultural lines than political ones. African-Americans, who are by and large Democrats, tend to be conservative on social issues and are not particularly pro-choice.

I certainly agree that there is such a thing as an American culture. In fact, I have never heard in the U.S. that a culture is nothing more than a cluster of randomly generated numbers. Americans pride themselves on being American. That may be why American readers of your journal are coming out to defend American culture despite not particularly liking the type of Americans you sneer at any more than you do. They consider themselves fully part of the culture without adhering to the political beliefs you think define it. Do you still claim that yours is an accurate picture?

--One of your American readers

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Date: 2006-12-15 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Americans are defensive.

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Date: 2006-12-15 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georgesdelatour.livejournal.com
You suggest moral consistency means either opposing capital punishment AND abortion, or supporting both - and by the way, which of the two are you?

Let's get down to details.

First, let's agree that we're only discussing capital punishment in cases of murder. Executing people for apostasy, marital infidelity, homosexuality or supposedly insulting someone who died in 632 is not worth discussing, right? Well, that assumption unites the most right wing Republican and the most left wing Democrat in America. But it doesn't unite everyone in Europe.

For me, the overriding consideration is, does capital punishment cut the murder rate significantly? Not just a dubious two percent here or there, but really significantly? From all the evidence I've come across, the answer is no. And if it doesn't, then, given the possibility of miscarriages of justice, we shouldn't have capital punishment.

But supposing there was absolutely compelling evidence that capital punishment really could cut the murder rate massively. Supposing it was such an effective deterrent that it could stop almost all homicides from occurring. If that were so I'd have to support it, albeit reluctantly. But that's not what the evidence shows.

I don't see how I can apply this line of argument to abortion. The relationship between a pregnant woman and her unborn child is unique, and that means abortion is a morally unique problem. Also, science is changing the moral calculus of abortion, by making premature babies more and more viable.

Supposing it becomes possible to remove a foetus shortly after conception, and bring it to full term completely outside a woman's body. One day scientists may be able to do exactly this. When they can, the "right to life" of the foetus, and the "right to choose" of the woman will become compatible. The woman can say "I don't want that foetus inside my womb". And the state can say '"okay we'll remove it from your womb - but we won't let you kill it".

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Date: 2006-12-15 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You make a good point about capital punishment, but youre talking out your arse about abortion.

If the woman wants it out her body, it's like she wants it dead. She's a killer. Even if it stays alive in a glass jar, the baby is dead. You dont appreciate what the womb and gestation is for. It's not a fucking bun that you can put in any oven.

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Date: 2006-12-15 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Unfortuantely myths are never real, and the things people forget or actively overlook is what makes them real.

I wonder are the statistics the Guardian puts forth as a trend in thinking really true? What were the statistics for 1980 and 1990? Its just a stange omission if they are really trying to establish a pattern.
That also raises the idea as to what questions are actually being asked? I would imagine they change in accordance to administrations although I have no reason to say so.

I also think it is natural for Americans not to perceive themselves as having a single national identity though, as the only time they adopt that face is in foreign affairs. Everything internally occurs with the very real truth that the states are independent of each other. And most non-americans can't fully appreciate the political power of the individual states.

As for the US becoming more conservative, I think it is perfectly arguable that the country is slipping back towards a more liberal outlook. Evidenced by the recent elections and the continued momentum of gay rights onto the TV and now into New Jersey.

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Date: 2006-12-15 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Your average American has not changed since at least 1960. JFK and GWB are essentially the same kind of moderate politician and represent where the American people's interests can be found at all times--an ultimate faith in democracy and a desire to promote it abroad, a belief in the healing powers of government spending, and at least a veneer of social conservatism at home.

Just because the American public will likely elect John Edwards in '08 does not mean that the American character has shifted to an "anti-war" position. As long as the idea of "democracy" is sacrosanct in America, you will have continued generations of American people backing the president to promote it or "defend it" on foreign soil.

It's important to understand that the Iraq war was essentially orchestrated by liberals under a different name--with the idea that people living under non-democratic regimes are not free, and that the cause of democracy is on par with the anti-slavery movement. If you believe in democracy, as most Americans do, I don't see how you can see the neo-cons as anything but sympathic, albeit completely incompetent, figures.

The reformation started this whole business of the importance of individual freedom. And America, being the first post-Reformation country, has always been completely obsessed with this idea. So keep that in mind as our country continually tries to "free" the rest of the world from its ignorance.

-henryperri

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Date: 2006-12-15 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scythrop.livejournal.com
Actually, the first U.S. census was done in 1790, and one has been taken every ten years since. (Sadly, the census of 1890 was largely destroyed in a fire.)

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Date: 2006-12-15 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This page may well change, but currenlty it features a quote from "What are you wearing?" and a copyright notice at the bottom: http://thecityofroses.com/

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Date: 2006-12-15 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mini-snape.livejournal.com
I bet the trolls will have a field day with this one.

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Date: 2006-12-15 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charleshatcher.livejournal.com
Sometimes I wonder if Momus isn't the real troll.

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Date: 2006-12-15 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
For someone who claims to love continental theory, you seem to have no conception of the problems of essentialism and universalizing tendencies.

What's frustrating is that you are SELECTIVE about your essentialism. America=bad; Japan=good. Even you recognize that your essentialism is bullshit, yet you continue to be impervious to ALL criticism.

It's fine to talk about trends and ideologies and groups. It's fine to talk about anthropology or sociology, but you do not do either - you make broad and sweeping generalizations based on the scantiest of evidence. Sometimes you admit this, but most of the time you seem to think you're doing science based on close observation, yet you are consistantly resistant to opposite viewpoints and counter evidence.

That is NOT anthropology or sociology, but is simply sloppy thinking.

Example: your claim that Americans can only think about the universal or the individual. What? Based on what evidence? It such as silly statement and so wrong that I don't even know where to begin. It goes absolutely against what Americans on your own state, over and over and over again.

A cultural critic is not the same thing as an anthropoligist or a sociologist, but your lack of care and self-doubt makes you a sketchy cultural critic and a horrible sociologist or anthropologist.

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Date: 2006-12-15 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
goes against what Americans on your own blog state, over and over and over again.

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Date: 2006-12-15 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What I dislike about Americans is that they all want to be loved.

Nobody else gives a toss. The English don't want to be loved particularly. Neither do The French, The Germans, The Swedes, The Italians.

America dominates, abuses, confuses, exploits, punishes, tortures and brainwashes as many of it's global chums as necessary in order to maintain top dog status, and then It Wants To Be Loved.

America makes me sick.

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Date: 2006-12-15 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm an American, and America makes me sick too.
But are you just going to complain or are you going to take action? Americans can't stop their government from running all around the world robbing and killing. There is absolutely no ZERO will towards overthrow of the government in America, and all the other Western liberal countries are afraid of losing their trading status and being lumped in with Iran. You can send emails to the wildest most Che-ass-kissingest liberal wacko on YouTube or any loopy blog anywhere, mention revolution and watch them shrink like a prick in ice water. Everyone is terrified of surveillance, there's no free porn downloads in prison, and nobody's willing to think for themselves or make the sacrifices that even non-violent protest requires. At some point the other countries are going to have to unite to fight America, cause unless you are living in China, you are on our list. So if you hate Americans so much, next time you see one, shoot him. Xie xie.

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Date: 2006-12-15 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflyrobert.livejournal.com
I think the only issue folks are having with this post and the few prior is semantics.

If Momus had said the typical American instead of a broad generalizaion of "American", there would be no argument. And, in this case, I would agree completely.

The dominant mainstream American culture is entirely aggressive in it's obnoxious empty-headed belligerence. The propaganda of the American cultural myth has become ubiquitous or near-ubiquitous globally. And quality may be entirely subjective in theory, I hold to my stance that "taste isn't negotiable" (yes, I quote myself frequently). And the taste of the average American is worse than the average tastes of any other culture in the world that I have seen (that aren't completely dominated by the American myth).

However, the case is, as it has always been, that those with taste and style are a tiny minority - and often times a bickering, whiny, petty minority at that. Every culture has this minority present and this minority cannot be blamed for the larger myth of the culture we/they insert into (unless, of course, some in this minority have been thrust to the throne of national/international tastemaker such as the Beatles).

Most pop culture tat is awful these days, regardless of origin. Some cultures are less annoying than others at times (Japan's pop culture is a lot less annoying than the U.S. right now, for example). The "dominant superpower", unfortunately for the rest of the world, tends to have the dominant pop culture. There are exceptions (like Britain in the 60's), but in this modern world, the dominant superpower will force it's pop culture into ubiquity (see Britain in the 19th century).

If, say, Argentina became the dominant superpower, I can guarantee that shortly after the world will seem a little more Argentinian because of the ubiquity of it's popular myth.

As for politics, that's a whole other bowl of eggs.

Democracy (more accurately the modern Republic which has long been incorrectly called Democracy) is, has been, and will always be fascist. Nothing can be done about it unless we drop the system for a better one. And the answer certainly isn't Socialism.

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Date: 2006-12-16 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
Your bias is showing. If you cannot tell the difference between this country and a fascist one, then you need to live or visit a fascist country so you can figure it out.


Violating Godwin's law is a good way to get people to count your opinion as ignorant and uneducated.

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Date: 2006-12-15 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uberdionysus.livejournal.com
One other thing, Nick. There is a Zizek lecture at this link (http://www.calvinseminary.edu/lectures/archive2144.ram) where Zizek expounds upon the insidious nature of ideology and how it colors all that we do. It's deeply insightful, as Zizek sometimes is. His view of ideology isn't far removed from Bourdieu (or even Weber) and their working methods are something that I believe you should emulate.

You claim to be deeply influenced by Bourdieu, so you must realize that he would severely criticize your leaps in logic and your operational ideology. He never made grand claims about the French per se. He could tell you a lot about specific groups within France, and certain trends, etc., and sometimes base ideologies that colored the thinking of most French people, but his claims were always qualified and careful claims that were backed up with mounds of evidence.

You're a fine critic, and a sometimes astute observer, but you will always be a second rate thinker until you start questioning your own ideology and your own worldview and how it consistently and constantly colors and re-interprets all your criticisms and insights into a narrow, unoriginal and false essentialist viewpoint.

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Date: 2006-12-15 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Don't think he intends to be a first-rate thinker. He skims summaries of the French sociologists' ideas and cherry-picks little pet terms to adopt. A young kid sees a punk rock band and emulates them by getting a mohawk. A young Momus sees Devoto and adopts a literary pose. I look at it sort of like how pro wrestling isn't a real sport, but sports entertainment. We should all take it in good fun.

America the Conservative - economics perspective

Date: 2006-12-15 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maybeimdead.livejournal.com
You may be interested in this article that hypothesizes why America is Conservative (by economist Ed Glaeser):

"It's tempting to think that American conservatism is the natural result of exceptional economic mobility in the country, but the odds of leaving poverty in Europe are higher than those in the United States, in part because European social democrats enacted national education policies that do a better job of looking after the poor than local schools in the U.S. Instead, American conservatism stems from political stability and ethnic heterogeneity."

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2004/glaeser_america_conservative_latimes_092604.htm (http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2004/glaeser_america_conservative_latimes_092604.htm)
From: [identity profile] babyhands144.livejournal.com
The nation's racial heterogeneity also partly explains its conservatism. U.S. heterogeneity sharply contrasts with the much greater homogeneity in Canada, Britain and continental Europe. People are much less likely to support income redistribution to people who are members of different racial or ethnic groups. Ethnic divisions make it easier for the enemies of welfare to vilify the poor, by making them seem like parasites who could be rich but prefer to live on the public dollar.

Ah political stability, ethnic heterogeneity and racism. Its good to be the king

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Date: 2006-12-16 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
I have no complaint about generalizations like, "I'm a single exception, and that means I completely disprove everything you said!!!!" But I think you forget that the US is a HUGE nation and it's reeeeeeally hard to make a general statement, especially when so, so many of our people are invisible in the eyes of the media, which selectively ignores tendencies and facts that endanger its overarching worldview. You basically do the same.

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Date: 2006-12-16 10:42 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just to show that America and Japan aren't really that far apart:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6282910,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Japan-passes-patriotic-new-laws/2006/12/15/1166162322250.html

Maybe Momus can give us something on Japanese patriotism...

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Date: 2006-12-16 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This development is interesting; of course the media are hyping it up, inferring that the new patriotism laws are a throwback to Japanese imperial expansionism of the 1930s, which is a wholly spurious extrapolation.
Nonetheless the decision by certain school districts in Japan to grade students based on their patriotism is a phenomenon that I would find disturbing if it were occurring in my country.
Of course Momus' worldview is that it is racist and xenophobic to question phenomena in other cultures that one may feel are of dubious value, the exception being those of them evil, capitalist, expansionist Americans.

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Date: 2006-12-16 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red66.livejournal.com
i grew up under the shadow of "pax america", from the otherside of the the planet i was bombarded with cultural definitions and hollywood propoganda such as the "indians" were the bad guys. there is an american identity, and down here i'm still trying to wash it off my skin...
ps..enjoying reading your writing..:)