I'm catching a plane to Spain later today, and, as always when I dip into a foreign culture, I'll be filing observations into two rough categories -- "that's typically Spanish" and "this is an indication of how Spain is changing". Of course, I'll make mistakes, wrong attributions. I'll probably see something new and think it's old, or see an anomaly and think it's a core part of Spanish identity, or see something local and think it's national, or see something Muslim and think it's Spanish. And actually, that last example shows how blurred these sorts of attributions can get. Where do you draw that particular line, when Spain was a Muslim nation for 800 years? The answer is partly political. You draw the line not just descriptively, but prescriptively. To designate this Spanish and that Muslim would be a political statement, and you'd make it according to your philosophy.
This issue -- and it's an interesting one -- comes up a lot in the clashes and crusades that go on over at Neomarxisme. Marxy often takes a stand against "Nihonjinron essentialists", people who talk about the Japanese character or way of life as if it were something unchanging. An example came up the other day, where he mocked the Nihonjinron Essentialists (let's call them NEs) for saying that Japan is a culture based on fish and rice, and failing to account for all the hamburgers now eaten in Japan. (This came as part of a wider argument -- well, a narrower one, actually -- about alleged links between Japan's visually-based writing system and its robustly visual manga culture.) The NE Marxy was actually answering there was Donald Richie, but a thinly-veiled parody of my writing style suggests I was also a target.Actually, Marxy is being somewhat essentialist about the essentialism of my position on national character. It isn't as rigid as he'd like to believe. Anyone who's read my Japanese are almost Japanese piece will see that I think of national character as a construct (but also real), something that has to be learned by Japanese in pretty much the same way it's learned by foreigners.
Do nations change their habits and their character? Of course they do. But that doesn't mean there isn't a national character and a national habitus. Over the weekend I posted two pieces about the US (one about a 1959 General Motors film about design, one about the CIA's use of culture to influence post-war Europe). Click Opera reader
The irony is that this belief that a culture is no more than "randomly generated numbers" is a particularly American one. American culture encourages people to look at the level of the individual ("someone in particular"), and the level of universality ("everyone in the world"), but shies away from the intermediate group level -- the level where you can talk anthropologically or sociologically about people collectively at lower levels than "everyone".The Guardian has an interesting article today about US census bureau data, and the picture it paints of a changing -- but distinct -- nation. Look, for instance, at how the attitudes of university entrants in the US have changed between 1970 and 2005.
"In 1970, 85% of university entrants thought abortion should be legalised, 59% thought capital punishment should be abolished and 57% aimed to keep up with political affairs. By 2005, those figures had fallen to 55% in favour of legalised abortion, 33% against capital punishment, and 36% who aimed to follow politics. And while in 1970, 79% of university entrants said they had a personal objective of 'developing a meaningful philosophy of life', by last year 75% defined their objective as 'being very well off financially'."
The answer is that the fact that American identity has changed in response to the historical, demographic and technological context doesn't mean there is no such thing as American identity. To be American is more than to be a series of "randomly generated numbers". People who think it's all random radically underestimate the effects of culture, socialization, ideology, politics and myth. For instance, how to explain the apparent ethical paradox revealed by the Guardian stats towards the value of human life? Support for abortion is falling in the US, and support for the death penalty rising. The answer doesn't lie in ethics, but in politics. These apparently inconsistent beliefs make sense when seen as parts of a political package -- conservatism -- which is gaining ground in the US. Conservatives assert that abortion is bad and capital punishment good, therefore these beliefs are perceived as consistent.
People hold inconsistent beliefs if they perceive them to be part of a package. Ironically, despite the lowering of stated interest in politics revealed by the US census, people hold clusters of beliefs which are entirely political, in the sense that they're only "consistent" when you see them along party political lines rather than ethical ones. They have, in other words, a mythical consistency. And the thing people forget about myths is that they're perfectly real.
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Date: 2006-12-15 11:31 am (UTC)I'm sure I've read, in several places, that enthusiasm for capital punishment is actually falling in America. A majority still want it (as they do in the UK and Europe), but the margin is falling.
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Date: 2006-12-15 12:22 pm (UTC)The thing is, though, there are so many creeps. For instance, the newspapers most bought in the UK are the ones read by creeps whose politics I utterly abhor; the Daily Mail, The Sun. I would be pretty unrealistic if I asserted that these huge circulations have nothing to do with the proclivities and attitudes of the typical British person though.
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Date: 2006-12-15 12:22 pm (UTC)Also, I believe that culture is a much broader set of assumptions than that. Mark Rosenfelder had a great checklist (http://www.zompist.com/amercult.html) for Americans and others who doubt the existence of culture to test their broadest set of cultural assumptions. I can see myself in it, and see how others necessarily mightn't.
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Date: 2006-12-15 01:29 pm (UTC)I believe what you meant to say is that a varying part of modern Spain was several predominantly Muslim nations for about 1200 years. But I'm a nitpicker like that.
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Date: 2006-12-16 03:39 pm (UTC)Just think, soon you'll either be praying to Mecca 5 times per day and stoning your female relatives for going out without an escort, or you'll be killed for not converting! HUZZAH FOR PROGRESSIVISM!
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Date: 2006-12-15 01:49 pm (UTC)There are lefties and righties in every country, and the U.S. political spectrum actually happens to lean liberal in the grand scheme of world political systems. Only on issues like the death penalty, abortion, and the level of government involvement in providing social welfare do Americans come out conservative -- in comparison to Western Europe. Moreover, these issues are no Litmus test of liberalness. The Chinese government (as an example) has no qualms about allowing abortion, but by no means is it politically liberal.
The American conservative position on abortion is more consistent along religious/cultural lines than political ones. African-Americans, who are by and large Democrats, tend to be conservative on social issues and are not particularly pro-choice.
I certainly agree that there is such a thing as an American culture. In fact, I have never heard in the U.S. that a culture is nothing more than a cluster of randomly generated numbers. Americans pride themselves on being American. That may be why American readers of your journal are coming out to defend American culture despite not particularly liking the type of Americans you sneer at any more than you do. They consider themselves fully part of the culture without adhering to the political beliefs you think define it. Do you still claim that yours is an accurate picture?
--One of your American readers
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Date: 2006-12-15 02:11 pm (UTC)Let's get down to details.
First, let's agree that we're only discussing capital punishment in cases of murder. Executing people for apostasy, marital infidelity, homosexuality or supposedly insulting someone who died in 632 is not worth discussing, right? Well, that assumption unites the most right wing Republican and the most left wing Democrat in America. But it doesn't unite everyone in Europe.
For me, the overriding consideration is, does capital punishment cut the murder rate significantly? Not just a dubious two percent here or there, but really significantly? From all the evidence I've come across, the answer is no. And if it doesn't, then, given the possibility of miscarriages of justice, we shouldn't have capital punishment.
But supposing there was absolutely compelling evidence that capital punishment really could cut the murder rate massively. Supposing it was such an effective deterrent that it could stop almost all homicides from occurring. If that were so I'd have to support it, albeit reluctantly. But that's not what the evidence shows.
I don't see how I can apply this line of argument to abortion. The relationship between a pregnant woman and her unborn child is unique, and that means abortion is a morally unique problem. Also, science is changing the moral calculus of abortion, by making premature babies more and more viable.
Supposing it becomes possible to remove a foetus shortly after conception, and bring it to full term completely outside a woman's body. One day scientists may be able to do exactly this. When they can, the "right to life" of the foetus, and the "right to choose" of the woman will become compatible. The woman can say "I don't want that foetus inside my womb". And the state can say '"okay we'll remove it from your womb - but we won't let you kill it".
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Date: 2006-12-15 03:18 pm (UTC)If the woman wants it out her body, it's like she wants it dead. She's a killer. Even if it stays alive in a glass jar, the baby is dead. You dont appreciate what the womb and gestation is for. It's not a fucking bun that you can put in any oven.
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Date: 2006-12-15 03:07 pm (UTC)I wonder are the statistics the Guardian puts forth as a trend in thinking really true? What were the statistics for 1980 and 1990? Its just a stange omission if they are really trying to establish a pattern.
That also raises the idea as to what questions are actually being asked? I would imagine they change in accordance to administrations although I have no reason to say so.
I also think it is natural for Americans not to perceive themselves as having a single national identity though, as the only time they adopt that face is in foreign affairs. Everything internally occurs with the very real truth that the states are independent of each other. And most non-americans can't fully appreciate the political power of the individual states.
As for the US becoming more conservative, I think it is perfectly arguable that the country is slipping back towards a more liberal outlook. Evidenced by the recent elections and the continued momentum of gay rights onto the TV and now into New Jersey.
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Date: 2006-12-15 04:02 pm (UTC)Just because the American public will likely elect John Edwards in '08 does not mean that the American character has shifted to an "anti-war" position. As long as the idea of "democracy" is sacrosanct in America, you will have continued generations of American people backing the president to promote it or "defend it" on foreign soil.
It's important to understand that the Iraq war was essentially orchestrated by liberals under a different name--with the idea that people living under non-democratic regimes are not free, and that the cause of democracy is on par with the anti-slavery movement. If you believe in democracy, as most Americans do, I don't see how you can see the neo-cons as anything but sympathic, albeit completely incompetent, figures.
The reformation started this whole business of the importance of individual freedom. And America, being the first post-Reformation country, has always been completely obsessed with this idea. So keep that in mind as our country continually tries to "free" the rest of the world from its ignorance.
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Date: 2006-12-15 03:48 pm (UTC)Just in case you haven't been informed
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Date: 2006-12-15 06:05 pm (UTC)What's frustrating is that you are SELECTIVE about your essentialism. America=bad; Japan=good. Even you recognize that your essentialism is bullshit, yet you continue to be impervious to ALL criticism.
It's fine to talk about trends and ideologies and groups. It's fine to talk about anthropology or sociology, but you do not do either - you make broad and sweeping generalizations based on the scantiest of evidence. Sometimes you admit this, but most of the time you seem to think you're doing science based on close observation, yet you are consistantly resistant to opposite viewpoints and counter evidence.
That is NOT anthropology or sociology, but is simply sloppy thinking.
Example: your claim that Americans can only think about the universal or the individual. What? Based on what evidence? It such as silly statement and so wrong that I don't even know where to begin. It goes absolutely against what Americans on your own state, over and over and over again.
A cultural critic is not the same thing as an anthropoligist or a sociologist, but your lack of care and self-doubt makes you a sketchy cultural critic and a horrible sociologist or anthropologist.
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Date: 2006-12-15 07:27 pm (UTC)Nobody else gives a toss. The English don't want to be loved particularly. Neither do The French, The Germans, The Swedes, The Italians.
America dominates, abuses, confuses, exploits, punishes, tortures and brainwashes as many of it's global chums as necessary in order to maintain top dog status, and then It Wants To Be Loved.
America makes me sick.
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Date: 2006-12-15 07:54 pm (UTC)But are you just going to complain or are you going to take action? Americans can't stop their government from running all around the world robbing and killing. There is absolutely no ZERO will towards overthrow of the government in America, and all the other Western liberal countries are afraid of losing their trading status and being lumped in with Iran. You can send emails to the wildest most Che-ass-kissingest liberal wacko on YouTube or any loopy blog anywhere, mention revolution and watch them shrink like a prick in ice water. Everyone is terrified of surveillance, there's no free porn downloads in prison, and nobody's willing to think for themselves or make the sacrifices that even non-violent protest requires. At some point the other countries are going to have to unite to fight America, cause unless you are living in China, you are on our list. So if you hate Americans so much, next time you see one, shoot him. Xie xie.
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Date: 2006-12-15 08:01 pm (UTC)If Momus had said the typical American instead of a broad generalizaion of "American", there would be no argument. And, in this case, I would agree completely.
The dominant mainstream American culture is entirely aggressive in it's obnoxious empty-headed belligerence. The propaganda of the American cultural myth has become ubiquitous or near-ubiquitous globally. And quality may be entirely subjective in theory, I hold to my stance that "taste isn't negotiable" (yes, I quote myself frequently). And the taste of the average American is worse than the average tastes of any other culture in the world that I have seen (that aren't completely dominated by the American myth).
However, the case is, as it has always been, that those with taste and style are a tiny minority - and often times a bickering, whiny, petty minority at that. Every culture has this minority present and this minority cannot be blamed for the larger myth of the culture we/they insert into (unless, of course, some in this minority have been thrust to the throne of national/international tastemaker such as the Beatles).
Most pop culture tat is awful these days, regardless of origin. Some cultures are less annoying than others at times (Japan's pop culture is a lot less annoying than the U.S. right now, for example). The "dominant superpower", unfortunately for the rest of the world, tends to have the dominant pop culture. There are exceptions (like Britain in the 60's), but in this modern world, the dominant superpower will force it's pop culture into ubiquity (see Britain in the 19th century).
If, say, Argentina became the dominant superpower, I can guarantee that shortly after the world will seem a little more Argentinian because of the ubiquity of it's popular myth.
As for politics, that's a whole other bowl of eggs.
Democracy (more accurately the modern Republic which has long been incorrectly called Democracy) is, has been, and will always be fascist. Nothing can be done about it unless we drop the system for a better one. And the answer certainly isn't Socialism.
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Date: 2006-12-16 03:43 pm (UTC)Violating Godwin's law is a good way to get people to count your opinion as ignorant and uneducated.
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Date: 2006-12-15 08:40 pm (UTC)You claim to be deeply influenced by Bourdieu, so you must realize that he would severely criticize your leaps in logic and your operational ideology. He never made grand claims about the French per se. He could tell you a lot about specific groups within France, and certain trends, etc., and sometimes base ideologies that colored the thinking of most French people, but his claims were always qualified and careful claims that were backed up with mounds of evidence.
You're a fine critic, and a sometimes astute observer, but you will always be a second rate thinker until you start questioning your own ideology and your own worldview and how it consistently and constantly colors and re-interprets all your criticisms and insights into a narrow, unoriginal and false essentialist viewpoint.
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Date: 2006-12-15 10:01 pm (UTC)America the Conservative - economics perspective
Date: 2006-12-15 10:20 pm (UTC)"It's tempting to think that American conservatism is the natural result of exceptional economic mobility in the country, but the odds of leaving poverty in Europe are higher than those in the United States, in part because European social democrats enacted national education policies that do a better job of looking after the poor than local schools in the U.S. Instead, American conservatism stems from political stability and ethnic heterogeneity."
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2004/glaeser_america_conservative_latimes_092604.htm (http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2004/glaeser_america_conservative_latimes_092604.htm)
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Date: 2006-12-16 03:10 am (UTC)Ah political stability, ethnic heterogeneity and racism. Its good to be the king
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Date: 2006-12-16 10:42 am (UTC)http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6282910,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Japan-passes-patriotic-new-laws/2006/12/15/1166162322250.html
Maybe Momus can give us something on Japanese patriotism...
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Date: 2006-12-16 08:27 pm (UTC)Nonetheless the decision by certain school districts in Japan to grade students based on their patriotism is a phenomenon that I would find disturbing if it were occurring in my country.
Of course Momus' worldview is that it is racist and xenophobic to question phenomena in other cultures that one may feel are of dubious value, the exception being those of them evil, capitalist, expansionist Americans.
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Date: 2006-12-16 09:56 pm (UTC)ps..enjoying reading your writing..:)