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The Museum of Sex, on New York's 5th Avenue, is currently hosting an exhibition called Peeping, Probing, and Porn: Four Centuries of Graphic Sex in Japan. Robert Schuster, reviewing the show in the Village Voice, describes "a bashful, wide-eyed octopus" in a woodblock print by Hokusai. "You'd never guess that the innocent creature leads a secret life of debauchery. But... there he is... his bulbous head pushed between the legs of a young woman, delivering a rather well-received session of cunnilingus."

"The exhibit's prints," continues Shuster, "most of which date from the mid 1800s, display all the familiar possibilities—positions and penetrations, threesomes, masturbation, voyeurs, dildos—and typically involve Edo's high-priced prostitutes known as oiran. But to please other tastes, the artists ranged across wider territory. Among several domestic fantasies, one attributed to Kikugawa Eizan (another stylish craftsman) shows a baby boy suckling the breasts of his mother as she engages a man at the other end. There are also medically detailed close-ups (sometimes from brothel guidebooks), obligatory scenes of rape and bondage, and plenty of satire. A spirited work from the normally utilitarian Utagawa School places an embarrassed couple copulating en plein air opposite three snickering dogs, whose jaunty postures and sly expressions suggest the artist's bemused regard of shunga."

Shunga literally means "things of the spring", but an exhibition like this reminds us that spring wasn't born yesterday. So how does Japanese culture today deal with "things of the spring"? To answer this question (and a request yesterday from reader Yuki Tsukishiro, who said "I've lately had a craving for a new Momus post about Japanese pornography"), I turned to the free movie sections of two of my favourite Japanese pink sites, BabyPink and S-Camera.

Rather than woodblock prints, BabyPink's movie of the day offers an instructional video featuring two fresh-faced girls called Miss Kitajima and Miss Tazima:

File 1: In the first RealPlayer segment the girls present, rather in the manner of a consumer report, a rubber penis strapped to a plastic office chair. The chair is transparent, so we can see from below what happens when first Miss Kitajima then Miss Tazima straddles the long, solid rubber prong. While one rides, the other milks. It's quite realistic. Afterwards, the girls tell us the experience has been fun but strange.

File 2: The girls, now dressed as maids, kneel at the feet of a man (made of flesh this time) and tell him he's going to feel really good in a moment. There's extensive kissing, fingering and oral-genital contact. The flesh man then penetrates one of the "maids" from behind while the other licks his man-nipples.

Some kind of glitch (a "503 error") prevents me from telling you what happened in the next three files, but it seems likely that the girls got it on with various partners in an increasing frenzy.

Over on S-Camera, meanwhile, the movie of the day is Sex High School. (To see clips you'll probably have to enter through the site's main page, run a text search on "Sex High School", then click the link.)

File 1: A high school student -- played by an actress machine translation renders as Fragrance Hill Lily -- in a locker room lifts her skirt, exclaiming friskily "Mo, etchi!" ("Stop that, pervert!"). She kneads her own breasts, then asks if we want to see her pantsu. Protracted self-stimulation follows, with occasional running commentary from the girl, who begins gouging into her sex with pointed pink fingernails. Apparently it isn't too painful.

File 2: Fragrance Hill Lily is now sporting a lab coat and stethoscope. She's a "doctor who accepts health insurance patients in the hygienic room", says the blurb. The rapid change in role establishes this as a cosplay movie. Sensei, sitting on her desk, begins to apply friction to the area of "our penis" with her bare feet, which are rather beautiful. "Does the rubbing feel good?" she asks. Soon she's grasping our erect manhood between the soles of her feet and, to our surprise, we're telling her in fluent Japanese that we're about to come. There's a distant sound of barking dogs as we discharge a small dollop of "milk" onto her right foot. "Ah, sugoy!" she exclaims, maternally.

File 3: A high school student once more, Fragrance Lily is receiving private tuition from a long-haired teacher (he looks more like a rock star, though). When she grabs him he seems rather shocked, but, as his bronzed, undressed torso gets extensively kissed, he seems not to object too strenuously. "It felt good," he concedes gruffly as Fragrance takes his penis in her mouth. His long hair and buffed body make the ensuing sex scene, which happens (by municipal ordinance 2958) on a classroom desktop, seem somewhat lesbian. "Oh, teacher!" cries Fragrance, but we can't help suspecting that this is her boyfriend in real life. There's a surprise ending: not the three spurts of milk Fragrance welcomes into her mouth, but the suddenly discovery by teacher that there's a voyeur hiding behind the classroom door. It's us. We'd better go.

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Date: 2006-08-21 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nato-dakke.livejournal.com
you know, I was hoping for a porn post from you soon so I could toss out my new find. In the past, you've talked about the different neighborhoods of tokyo having really tangible style differences... well, here's the porn to prove it!

http://www.megahit.co.jp/dvd/dv-prestige/dv-prestige-trd.htm

The really fun part is that the porn is so focused on the image and style over the girl that on each disc, one iteration of "the act" is conducted through a hole cut in the pants and panties. So a nude guy is essentially humping on a fully clothed girl.

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Date: 2006-08-21 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
It's a nice idea, but the girls all seem to have the same style to me, unlike the girls snapped in different parts of town on this site (http://www.style-arena.jp/index_e.htm), for instance.

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Date: 2006-08-21 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
careful what you go tossing around on these porn posts.

-henryperri

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Date: 2006-08-21 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niddrie-edge.livejournal.com
the only way to get a good ratio on some movie fileshare sites is to download porn and wait while it gets gangbanged by the leeches..

what is the world coming to?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-21 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhodri.livejournal.com
Whether this post provokes blind fury or waves of pleasure, I find that the effect is intensified if you just ignore the first three paragraphs.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-21 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nato-dakke.livejournal.com
btw, even if I do side with marxy most of the time, I think your take on sex in Japan is more useful toward understanding... though marxy doesn't spend much time on wieners, boobies, usw.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-21 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I'm sure Marxy, if he dared to tell us about sex at all, would spend most of his report detailing how the industry is all run by the yakuza and controlled by a tight clique of powerful individuals who are controlling the entire nation's fantasy life from the top down. Perhaps just one tremendously powerful man with a rod of iron.

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Date: 2006-08-22 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
1) eh
2) i <3 marxy

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Date: 2006-08-22 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
We all love Marxy, but don't tell me he doesn't think everything in Japan is about a top-down rod-of-iron!

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Date: 2006-08-21 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarmoung.livejournal.com
I can remember seeing Sex High School last year in a hotel room in Osaka. What struck me at the time was that it was one of the few scenes played out on the cable network that didn't conclude with the inevitable facial shot and it was a refreshing textural change. I was none too sure about the next film which featured a very dilapitated fellow who sustained a protracted assault on a woman with a wide range of equipment in lieu of being able to manage a workable erection. That's nothing too unfamiliar in the Japanese porn film, but I kept hoping he'd stop and half-turn to the camera and say "You know, I really do think my best days are past me. How about we just go for some ramen instead?".

Having seen Tsai Ming-Liang's The Wayward Cloud (http://www.shuqi.org/asiancinema/reviews/waywardcloud.shtml), which features the making of a porn film in Taiwan with a Japanese actress, I wondered what the other East Asian attitudes were to Japanese pornography. Are men wanking to Japanese porn in China and Korea in preference to the domestic product? In how many intriguing ways could one connect the pre-eminence of the Japanese porn industry with earlier forms of cultural exchange and domination in the region? After a hard day's protest against some Yasukuni shrine visit or similar, do some Chinese men return home to slip in a pirated Japanese DVD?

I'm not too sure about the description on the site for the PPP exhibition about "the unbridled pursuit of pleasure that defined Japan's new and flourishing urban centers" during the Edo period. Timon Screech's suggestion in Sex and the Floating World (http://www.reaktionbooks.co.uk/titles/essaysac_sexfloatingworld.html) is such pleasure in the Tokugawa period was very much bridled and shunga aimed to fulfill the needs of those men frequently excluded from female sexual contact, wives or otherwise.

Mind you, I'm astounded to discover (http://www.baxleystamps.com/litho/ogawa/ogawa_yosh_13.shtml) that Nicepimmelkarl appears to have been wandering the Yoshiwara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiwara) in the early part of the last century:

Image (http://photobucket.com)

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Date: 2006-08-21 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Are men wanking to Japanese porn in China and Korea in preference to the domestic product?

I think the answer to that is "yes". When I lived in NY Chinatown I used to buy Chinese sex magazines (only when my girlfriend was out of town, you understand) on Grand Street. They had free VCDs on the front which usually featured 20 minutes of some rather spotty Hong Kong actress doing a striptease, followed by 20 minutes of pirated Japanese porn with higher production values and smoother skin.

I think the sheer size of the Japanese porn industry (2.3 trillion yen (http://www.japanvisitor.com/index.php?cID=354&pID=286&pName=books-sex) annual estimated takings) makes it inevitable that this stuff will get around.

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Date: 2006-08-21 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
(To put that 2.3 trillion yen figure in perspective, the Japanese auto industry generates 40 trillion yen annually, and Japan's life insurance market 27 trillion yen.)

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Date: 2006-08-21 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
Thank you! Lovely. I love the playfullness of Japanese pornography (yes, versus the "fuck yeah" of Western).

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Date: 2006-08-21 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] constructionism.livejournal.com
The images I saw certainly seem to be less "dark" and heavy and frought with anxiety than the American variant.

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Date: 2006-08-21 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niddrie-edge.livejournal.com
sex glitch yah!

Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-21 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zzberlin.livejournal.com
<< Among several domestic fantasies, one attributed to Kikugawa Eizan (another stylish craftsman) shows a baby boy suckling the breasts of his mother as she engages a man at the other end. >>

Momus, I like your delicate description of these videos--"engages a man at the other end"--and such.

Am also noting the maternal references. I haven't seen a lot of motherly material in Western porn. Or maybe I'm just watching the wrong porn, or not paying attention at the right parts : )

Re: Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-21 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
"Engages a man at the other end" isn't my phrase, it belongs to Robert Schuster at the Village Voice.

Re: Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-21 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
it is meant to be a loving act between two people. you begrime sex with your secularistic gob.

plunging hen

Re: Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-21 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
"Secularistic"? Perhaps you begrime your God by dragging Him into the bedroom for a threesome. Two's company...

Re: Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-21 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
I'm hearing a remake of a Tina Turner song.

What's God Got to Do With It?

Sadly I really am hearing it. It's stuck in my head.

Re: Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-21 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zzberlin.livejournal.com
Some of the most loving sex I've had has been quite begrimed. NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. (And god likes to watch.)

Re: Delicacy

Date: 2006-08-22 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
My friend, who works at an adult store, says there is pregnant woman porn, but it's, you know, "you fucking pregnant whore. fuck yeah."

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Date: 2006-08-21 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoelemon.livejournal.com
these prints have always been some of my favorites, they are very very beautiful.....is there a catalouge available from this exhibition? Thank you also for all of your psts-I enjoy them very much! xo

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Date: 2006-08-21 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am just glad Japan has a growing number of lower class girls from the countryside with low educational backgrounds so we can see more and more of this in the future. Without poor people, we would have to depend on the sexually abused to staff out these acting roles!

Marxy

(I am as much fun as adding together total amount of capital possessed by the families of Yoshiwara girls.)

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Date: 2006-08-21 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Since Japan is 79% urbanized (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_urb-people-urbanization) (class definitions are more problematical, but most would agree that Japan still has one of the largest middle classes of any industrial nation), I find it odd that you think that the girls in AV productions are "lower class girls from the countryside". All drawn from a 21% minority of the population? (An even smaller minority if we narrow it down to those non-urbans who are also not middle class or wealthy.)

Why would that be? Who told you this? It comes up a lot in your writings about the Japanese AV industry (http://www.pliink.com/mt/marxy/archives/000562.html), but you also admit: "I actually am not very knowledgable. I pick up pieces here and there, but I don't actually read adult magazines nor articles about the adult industry."

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 01:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Why would that be? Who told you this?

This is common knowledge. The industry depends upon recruiting girls already in the hostess/mizu shobai industry, especially those with lots of debt. Have you ever met hostesses? They are all generally from podunk towns in Hiroshima-ken etc. Huge surprise, but they are not from upper middle-class families in the affluent suburbs of Tokyo. Same goes with schoolgirl prostitutes - a working class/lumpen runaway phenomenon. Whether Japan has a "big middle class" or not, there are lower classes (mostly congregating around rural areas) and they do make up a large majority of the sexual industry.

(Do you want to now claim that Yoshiwara girls were all "normal" and "classless" and performing sexual services out of some sense of liberation and personal gratification?)

What is clear from your response is that you realize that you have to deny the class-exploitation component to openly enjoy Japanese pornography. Japanese porn actresses do not appear so explicitly deviant as American actresses, and half of the appeal is the normalcy.

(I think I've told this story before, but...)

I was at the fashion-porn photographer and Egg founder Yonehara's house one day and I was asking him about porn actresses in Japan. "Oh they are totally normal!" he says, pointing out his good friend in a copy of "All White Panties." I ask, "What's her story?" "Oh, she was raped by her brother."

Marxy

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Date: 2006-08-22 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Now now, tsk tsk! You're not arguing very well here. When I say "Who told you this?" you answer "This is common knowledge", despite having admitted that you're not very knowledgeable about this subject, and haven't read any articles about the AV industry. So is it gossip and rumour you're now citing?

The industry depends upon recruiting girls already in the hostess/mizu shobai industry, especially those with lots of debt.

By your argument, all this recruiting should be going on in the countryside, not in the big cities.

Have you ever met hostesses? They are all generally from podunk towns in Hiroshima-ken etc.

So now your claim is no longer that these are girls "from the country", but that they're girls "from pudunk towns"?

Huge surprise, but they are not from upper middle-class families in the affluent suburbs of Tokyo.

Now who said they were upper middle class or affluent? A transparent attempt to beat my argument back to specific minorities, when it's your argument which makes such claims.

Same goes with schoolgirl prostitutes - a working class/lumpen runaway phenomenon.

Although you constantly make the link between AV actresses and prostitutes, they are not the same thing at all.

Whether Japan has a "big middle class" or not, there are lower classes (mostly congregating around rural areas) and they do make up a large majority of the sexual industry.

The lower classes mostly live in the countryside? That's news to me! All those tarp and plyboard residences in Ueno Park or next to Osaka zoo -- I should be looking for them out in the paddy fields or up in the mountains? Aren't poor people drawn to cities in highly urbanized nations? Because that's where the work is? Why would anyone poor "congregate" in the countryside?

Also, I'd like to see just one solid scholarly source for this "everybody knows" assertion (from someone who also claims not to know much) that AV actresses are all drawn from a minority caste.

Do you want to now claim that Yoshiwara girls were all "normal" and "classless" and performing sexual services out of some sense of liberation and personal gratification?

I'm not actually saying anything about the caste of women in the sex industry. You're the one making unsupported assertions, and now you're trying to make it look as if I'm doing the same thing! All I did was describe what happens in two videos! Is it "common knowledge" that I'm saying AV girls are all super-bourgeois?

What is clear from your response is that you realize that you have to deny the class-exploitation component to openly enjoy Japanese pornography. Japanese porn actresses do not appear so explicitly deviant as American actresses, and half of the appeal is the normalcy.

I'm not sure why that's "clear from my response", since I never said it!

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nato-dakke.livejournal.com
I think marxy's right... but American porn, esp the rather huge "ametuer" industry, where first timers are a big selling point, are just as much based on the exploitation of rural and non-metropolitan chicks who don't know their ass from uh their vaginas. The industry has and always will function on the backs of those with excessive greed or debts. Just like every other form of employment... it's just that this one carries a bigger social stigma than say "teaching english".

Westerners always get really credulous when they watch porn, believing that somehow there was only one linda lovelace and that everyone else is willing, happy and healthy. Why think the Japanese industry is any different?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Again, I'm not making any claim that "everyone is of such-and-such a state of mind" or that "everyone is from such-and-such a class". It's Marxy who's making these assertions, while also telling us he doesn't really know much about the subject. If you agree with his claim that AV actors come from a small minority of Japanese society, that's fine, but the very least I'd like is some source or citation. If you think Marxy's right on this, why? Just a hunch?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nato-dakke.livejournal.com
anecdotal experience having dated a one time actress, who fit marxy's mold exactly. Small-ish town girl, moved to tokyo looking for money and a good time, started work as a hostess, got into debt, made a coupe of movies.
Nakajima Ai, former pornstar, current mainstream talento documents her own similar experience in her bestseller autobiography, and appeared in public service campaigns about getting overly indebted, and the consequences.

That and a reasonable knowledge of the recruiting process, which I've seen discussed on NHK and in Japanese magazines.

It is absolutely common knowledge. Ask a Japanese friend. It seems like you don't even disagree, you just want to give marxy a hard time for asserting something mildly unpleasant about a really nice country. (though please don't ask me for proof that Japan is nice. I like to think it's common knowledge.)

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Small-ish town girl

Come on, name the town! It's probably in the hundreds of thousands, isn't it?

But even if it's the hick sticks, this is the problem with anecdotal evidence. One actress you dated once becomes every actress ever. It's cute when it's a "she's every woman, it's all in her" sort of feeling about your wife or whoever, but it's not exactly sociology, is it?

I think Marxy often uses stats and class-centric sociology as a fig-leaf to cover up a certain snobby disdain he has for certain groups of people. He seems to have a rather puritanical view of sex, but instead of telling us AV actresses are "dirty", he projects onto us the view that they're clean and normal, then "corrects" this view by telling us they're poor and uneducated and come from the country. It's just a more circuitous way of saying "Ug, those girls are dirty!"

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nato-dakke.livejournal.com
The size of town matters? Yeah, it's relatively big, but unmistakably "the sticks". Des Moines, Iowa has a lot of people, but if a Iowan moved to new york city, she'd be a hick.

But I'm not gonna waste time responding to you respoding to a strawman marxy. I've never met the guy.
I told you why it's common knowledge... common enough knowledge that the government asked a former actress to talk about her experience as a cautionary tale to others. If you choose to continue suspending your disbelief, more power to you. You always have had trouble understanding people for whom money ever causes the slightest problems...

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
The size of town matters? Yeah, it's relatively big

Marxy is saying AV girls are all "lower class girls from the countryside", and you confirm this by reference to an AV girl you once dated who came from a "relatively big" town? Perhaps I'm being obtuse, but this makes no sense to me, Nate. I also don't see what meeting Marxy has to do with it, or the government asking ex-AV actresses to warn others off the trade. As I keep saying, I'm not making any assertions about AV actresses at all here, just describing what happens in some plots.

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Date: 2006-08-23 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I didn't realize this was still going or even up for debate. Funny how strongly you argue positions which your entire proof of being right is that I must be wrong. Not like you have done a lot of field research on filling positions in the porn industry in Japan. Common knowledge is also different than "hearsay."

Iijima Ai is the name of the actress, and her story is very, very common. Read Platonic Sex (or I know, Google it!)

Again: your strong denial of all these very, very well-known issues suggest you wouldn't love Japanese AV so much if you knew these girls were being economically exploited (rather than sexually exploited.) You have yet to say: I don't care if they are poor and desperate and in debt, because they do it FOR ME.

He seems to have a rather puritanical view of sex, but instead of telling us AV actresses are "dirty", he projects onto us the view that they're clean and normal, then "corrects" this view by telling us they're poor and uneducated and come from the country.

I am not saying that "porn" is bad, but realize that many factors in the labor system go against some of your natural "socialist" positions. You can't have both in this one.

Marxy

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Date: 2006-08-27 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I'm making no "strong argument" here at all, just describing plots of AV movies! You're the one making an assertion about the implausibly narrow social origins of AV actresses. At last we've got closer to an information source that isn't just "I know nothing about this, but everybody knows this." You've cited a book called "Platonic Sex". I shall try to track it down and see what it says on the subject.

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Date: 2006-08-22 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nato-dakke.livejournal.com
and while I'm up, there is a big difference between prostitution and porn in Japan. Anonymity. A porn star can't keep her secret long, so there's a lifetime of shame in the slightly better paid act. A prostitute can, there are almost certainly 10's (if not 100's) of thousands of former prostitutes now hiding their past quite successfully.
Looking at the industy publication from where I used to live, over 1/500 women were up for sale during any given month.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-23 11:03 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ueno Park? Tennoji? Since when is lower class and homeless the same thing?

It does seem quite likely though that someone from outside a big city would be more successfully conned and exploited if for no other reason than young people hold fantasies of getting away from where they grew up.

Then again one doesn't really know the ratio of actresses somehow persuaded into vs pursuing the work.
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I've lost my thread

Date: 2006-08-21 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zzberlin.livejournal.com
I'm sorry, I was responding to a post by desant, and I seem to have gotten mis-threaded. Sorry about that! Is it possible desant had a post that got deleted? Oh dear I must need a nap.

Re: I've lost my thread

Date: 2006-08-21 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I haven't deleted anything, so Desant must've done it him/herself.

Re: I've lost my thread

Date: 2006-08-21 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zzberlin.livejournal.com
I deleted my comment because it cited desant's post, and since he took his post out, it didn't seem right to leave mine. I'll carry on about this topic some other time!

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Date: 2006-08-21 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xishimarux.livejournal.com
I want more japanese cyberporn like I.K.U. :)

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Date: 2006-08-23 10:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
But isn't I.K.U. primarily or at least partly a non-Japanese vision of an imagined Japanese genre? In other words it tries to be more or less what a foreigner expects to be coming out of Japan.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-21 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snoeksen (from livejournal.com)
Just recently I showed a friend of mine a segment of the "Hello!Morning"-TV-show, in which the girls of MoMusu *snicker* were dressed up in kindergarten-outfits and playing childrens games. While I was quite amused by the whole thing, she was quite shocked and asked me if the Japanese had big problems with child pornography and such. Of course the whole "Lolita complex" was nothing new to me, but I wasn't sure how big exactly paedophilia is a problem in Japan. Do you know anything more about this?

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Date: 2006-08-21 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I can't give you stats or sociology or tell you whether it's any worse in Japan than elsewhere. I think your definition of "worse" would depend on whether you thought things got more or less serious when sublimated.

I can tell you that many Japanese people I've met (I'm thinking mostly of women) are very lolicon in the way they feel about children, and, much more than Western people, they're prepared to admit a sexual component in their admiration. Whether they do something about that is another matter, but they're prepared to "admit it to consciousness".

TV comedian Keiichi Yamamoto had to end his career recently for getting a 17 year-old drunk and taking her to a love hotel. You can read what people on the street thought about that here (http://www.crisscross.com/jp/popvox/673). I think the tearful confession his partner made on TV said a lot about Japan as a "shame" rather than a "guilt" culture. In other words, it's not about feeling things are wrong internally, but about being very contrite when caught.

In 2002 Emi Necozawa and I contributed music to a movie called "Bambi Bone" (http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/003495.html) (directed by Noriko Shibutani) which was mostly about child abuse; a father who molested his own son, painting his toenails pink, amongst other strange fetishistic rituals. But I've been on the other side, aesthetically, too, writing "Lolitapop" for Kahimi Karie, Poison Girlfriend and others.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-08-22 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niddrie-edge.livejournal.com
this turned up today as well
http://themeasurestaken.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-still-dream-of-orgonon.html

me..i'm off to watch The Year of The Sex Olympics (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/cinema/features/sex-olympics.shtml)

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Date: 2006-08-22 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmlaenker.livejournal.com
I am now officially a Kinsey 6. I'm actually rather stunned that I'd be so turned-on by that girl.

Good Voyeur Site

Date: 2006-11-03 08:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is a good Japan Voyeur site. I saw naked women in Sento, Onsen, etc.
Go here;

http://www.japanbathroom.com

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Date: 2007-01-04 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweetlion.livejournal.com
Hm.. I think it's very pleasurable to feel your child and man sucking tits:)