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I happened to be walking with a friend along Houston Street last night. We were at a bit of a loose end, having pored over film sections without finding any film we really wanted to see. We passed a community centre-type place covered with posters of bicycles -- a bicycle activism centre of some sort. They had a table spread with free whole foods, so we went in. After a couple of minutes a film started. It was The Future of Food, a Canadian documentary about gen-tech in the agri-business. You can see the trailer here.



The film made very forcefully some points I feel rather strongly about, stuff about patents, monoculture and monopoly.

97% of the seeds and grains used by farmers in 1900 have become extinct, replaced by one or two super-grains owned by mega-corporations. These "super-grains" are the product of the Green Revolution of the 1960s, the industrialization of world agriculture. In this "revolution", what used to be a vibrantly diverse production, a pluralism of growing styles with a huge variety of seeds, was replaced by a monoculture controlled by a few corporations. The "right to be wrong" was eroded, replaced by the "one right answer" owned by "the one right company".

Now, the one right answer obviously has a lot to recommend it. Thanks to the Green Revolution, millions around the world have been fed. But it's meant that crops are more vulnerable to blight, because they're now all the same breed. When famines, blights or diseases hit, they're worse than ever before. They hit everyone, because everyone is using the same seed.

This consolidation and concentration of power, and attendant elimination of diversity, was vastly increased when the Green Revolution morphed into the Gene Revolution. Seeds and grains which were owned by nobody can now be owned by whoever patents them first. This tends to mean gen-tech companies like Monsanto.

Monsanto owns the patents for pesticides and plants alike. It's a package; farmers are obliged to buy them together. In fact, some Monsanto varieties of canola (rape seed) are actually patented as pesticides, not as plants. You can't buy one without the other. What's more, Monsanto (shades of Microsoft here, or the RIAA persecuting music fans, or Canadian police forcing indigenous people off their own land) is sueing individual farmers whose fields of non-Monsanto canola have accidentally become mixed with Monsanto gen-tech seed. When the wind blows Monsanto seeds into your fields (seeds which may ghoulishly mix the genes of a tomato plant with the genes of a flounder), you're suddenly infringing their copyrights.

The decision of the Canadian Supreme Court to allow plants to become private property (the EU passed similar measures in 1998, allowing plants to be private property as long as the terms of 1992's Convention on Biodiversity were adhered to) opens up the possibility of all sorts of persecution of farmers by big corporations who own, increasingly, everything, even life itself.

The spurious over-extension of property rights, in the form of patents and copyright, has become one of the evils of our time, along with consolidation of power in the hands of small numbers of people. The result is monoculture, as these people attempt to make everyone use their products, persecuting and bullying those who don't. Autonomy and the "right to be wrong", the right to have your own local or personal techniques, your own expertise, your own special seeds, full control over your own way of doing things -- all these things are threatened. But the threat is also to consumers, forced to test-consume weird genetic combinations dreamed up in labs, dependent on the "one right answer" staying right rather than suddenly succumbing to some massive global failure.

The bigger the monoculture, the harder it falls when the crop fails. No matter how right, "one right answer" is always wrong.

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Date: 2006-04-21 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bklyndispatch.livejournal.com
that's the time's up space, excellent place to be when the monthly critical mass rides end...

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Date: 2006-04-21 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am for volume.
I am for tubes
in and out of the sick.

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Date: 2006-04-21 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinylboy20.livejournal.com
"When the wind blows Monsanto seeds into your fields, you're suddenly infringing their copyrights."

How folktronic. I love it!

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Date: 2006-04-21 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bricology.livejournal.com
Coincidentally, I'm near the end of watching the anime "Arjuna" ("Earth Girl Arjuna"), one of the few anime I've been able to muster any enthusiasm for. If you haven't seen it, it's a rather doctrinaire (in a good way) parable about genetically-modified crops and other bad things, and ecology in general. Although it's set in Japan and the dialogue is in Japanese, it was written a by Belgian-Canadian woman, and the producer and art director were French-Canadian women as well. Yoko Kanno did the score. It's worth checking out.

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Date: 2006-04-21 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tassellrealm.livejournal.com
In one way or another it's been going on since pre-history, as has monoculture.

Apparently the lifespan of European populations shortened tremendously when hunter-gathers switched to farming.

Perhaps agriculture wasn't such a good idea in the first place?

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Date: 2006-04-21 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elleohelle.livejournal.com
Just because something was made by a corporation doesn't make it wrong (this seems to be one of your premises). If you use that line of reasoning, I shouldn't take any medicine made be a corporation.

How are these farmers bullied? If its their own private land, they could tell them to fuck off.

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Date: 2006-04-21 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grimgrim.livejournal.com
It seems to me that the bone of contention is with *ownership* rather than method of manufacture.

Or are you trolling here?

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Date: 2006-04-21 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflyrobert.livejournal.com
It's very hard to tell a genetically altered seed floating into your field and ruining your crops to "fuck off".

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Date: 2006-04-22 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watermirrors.livejournal.com
They are legally bullied and harassed with unreasonable lawsuits. They isn't just about coporations, this is about property rights and patenting life forms, which is ethnically questionable.

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Date: 2006-04-21 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That film really left me feeling afraid of all things edible, still feeling like each meal is a frankenstein science project. Nutrition is one area of living in which I would prefer stayed forever the same, untainted by the death grip of toxic people. Long-note made short: Everyone should really see this film and start a bug-filled garden of their own...I'd prefer to eat bugs to fertilizers anyday.
John FF

Whitney Hours

Date: 2006-04-21 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] instant-c.livejournal.com
What are your hours at the Whitney? I will be in NYC next weekend and definitely want to go when you are there!

Re: Whitney Hours

Date: 2006-04-22 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
It tends to be 2pm to 5pm. Also, next Saturday (April 29th) I perform at an evening event to celebrate the Peace Tower.

Re: Whitney Hours

Date: 2006-04-22 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] instant-c.livejournal.com
Great! I'll come staurday then. I see its best to buy tickets in advance(since I'm flying in from San Francisco). When is your peace tower performance scheduled? I couldn't find it on the whitney site. I did see that Matthew Higgs is speaking on friday at the whitney( he used to be our schools curator). Worth seing if you have the chance! Also, I have a program almost ready for you, I may bring it on disk next week, or e-mail it to you if you prefer!!! Thanks!-David

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Date: 2006-04-21 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
muy interasado...this seems very symbollic, kind of like an agricultural 1984

biotech hobbyist

Date: 2006-04-21 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
it will get better when people start using open source equipment to create thier own seeds. it will just take a while for it to become cheap and wide spread.

Re: biotech hobbyist

Date: 2006-04-21 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tassellrealm.livejournal.com
t will get better when people start using open source equipment to create thier own seeds

Make sure you keep them safe from these buggers...

http://bioteach.ubc.ca/TeachingResources/Genetics/Mouse&Ear.jpg

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Date: 2006-04-21 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
A sort of racism of the crops!

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Date: 2006-04-21 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polsvoice.livejournal.com
U.S. patent law really does worry the hell out of me. And that's the field I'm going into. Not a good sign...

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Date: 2006-04-21 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omarius.livejournal.com
Just a little earlier I read this in [livejournal.com profile] boutell's journal:
Jonas Salk didn't develop a polio vaccine to get rich, as Edward R. Murrow found out when he interviewed him:

"Who owns the patent on this vaccine?" Murrow asked. "Well, the people, I would say," Dr. Salk replied. "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?"


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Date: 2006-04-21 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tassellrealm.livejournal.com
"Who owns the patent on this vaccine?" Murrow asked. "Well, the people, I would say," Dr. Salk replied. "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?

Doctor, I think I've become immune to fuzzy warm feelings...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-21 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omarius.livejournal.com
Holy curmudgeoney conspiracy theories!

I didn't intend to blow sunshine up your StarLink (http://www.starlinkcorn.com/starlinkcorn.htm) hole, though--it was just a nice synchronicity.

I think the mass-market commodization of anything turns that thing and the process for profiting from it into a force for mediocrity at best, and most often, malfeasance.

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Date: 2006-04-21 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tassellrealm.livejournal.com
Well of course, that theory hasn't been satisfactorily proven - but then again neither has the case for the efficacy/safety of vaccination.

The only thing that has been proven about vaccination is that it's a big money-spinner.

Go and ask Donald Rumsfeld...

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/

over governing?

Date: 2006-04-22 06:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sparked on by something I read on Momus' journal a few weeks ago (I can't remember what) a group of my colleagues got into a very interesting coversation at work, speculating what the world might be like if patents and copyright didn't exist... oh that's right it was when Momus was asking what music of his people were able to download for free.

I also mentioned to them the idea of artists providing an authentic registry for being paid directly. People could pay the artists if they enjoyed their music, or heard their favourite artist was starving, or saving up for recording an album. Albums themselves would be worth very little, unless they had, for example, hand written song tracks (the less copyable the more valuable). Live performances (or say public appearances for an author) would be more highly valued.

Some argued that research into medicine and other "things for the betterment of society" would stop if there were no money to be made there. There would be no Monsanto's doing research in the first place, and we would stagnate. Another person mentioned that perhaps "things for the betterment of society" is exactly where government should be putting its money.

Ultimately, it seems that copying is virtually impossible to stop in the modern information age... so maybe we should go with what's natural and stop wasting so much time money and effort and abolish these ideas altogether. I think that copyright was useful in say the 1950s when it was very expensive to record, and more importantly disseminate music. But those days are gone... the internet is a fierce dissemination machine bringing diversity & choice.

I'm sure many artists may be horrified by this idea, but are those artists that hope to get famous and ride the gravy train? To me, that kind of fame is unnatural. In just the same way as treating a company like a human is unnatural (as suggested in the film "The Corporation").

It's the event of creating the art that has the value, the copies are valueless, and the dissemination machine will ensure that.

My friend quoted someone saying that copying is probably one of the most important things that our society has done, and we should encourage it. Outright plagiarism will be found out, and the resulting societal backlash will surely suffice for punishment.

Doubtless this would involve an enormous shift in power. Whole industries would be disintegrated, and many new ones would arise. But I see it as a brighter less "artificially weighted" future, more of a meritocracy, more natural, simpler and freer. I also feel that there may be many patents for excellent things "for the betterment of society" that cannot be utilised because somebody owns them, and this is a hindrance to the progression of society.

anyone want to speculate further? Are we going to see many more "Donate by PayPal" buttons (where is yours gone momus), I've illegally downloaded a few of your albums and *might* send you some cash!

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Date: 2006-04-21 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myani.livejournal.com
Momus, you're starting to scare me! Is this some weird form of destiny, or do I need to start scouring my room for little mice with ears as well? This is the third or fourth time in the last couple weeks I've had an in depth discussion with someone on a topic, considered writing about said topic on my LJ, then when I hop on the next morning you've beaten me to it!

I was actually talking to one of my friends about useless, greedy services, such as having to pay excessive amounts of money to get your name put on a waiting list to find a kidney donor. I told her about ridiculous patents, brought up the basmati rice problems, and had actually been trying to find information on Monsanto to show her but couldn't remember their name for the life of me.

The number of people who have no idea this is going on never fails to amaze me. I'm going to have to find that documentary to watch myself, and probably recommend for others since this topic has had such a huge impact on me and the way I think.

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Date: 2006-04-21 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desant012.livejournal.com
Those dirty long hairs. I'm sure they wouldn't object if corporations genetically modified the cannabis plant to contain more than 500x the normal amount of hippie juice.

Anyway, it's hard getting worked up about these things anymore. Outside of moral self-satisfaction, what does all this activism lead to? I foresee another age of careless hedonism and disconnect, and it's not the "rich kids doing coke" thing we have now.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-21 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myani.livejournal.com
It's really difficult to get into a conversation with one of my "friends" about the way things are when their take on everything is "if it hasn't killed me yet I don't care." I never criticize, people can think what they will, but their attitudes make me sad.

"friends"

Date: 2006-04-22 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You need new friends...

Re: "friends"

Date: 2006-04-22 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myani.livejournal.com
Tell me about it.

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Date: 2006-04-21 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
As a scientist...I don't even want to start on this and I don't want to raise ire over it by saying things no one here will agree with.


(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lame-no-antenna.livejournal.com
well, from what i can remember, the film doesn't deal specifically with the nuts and bolts of genetics, but moreso the legalities and ethics of 'ownership' of these seeds. one farmer in particular was singled out and sued by monsanto for seeds they found on his property that blew off a neighbouring farm. this farmer in question was basically accused of theft or wrongful ownership (it's been a while since i've seen it, so forgive the gaps.)

as a scientist, how do you feel ethically about the 'terminator gene'? in the past farmers used several strains of seed to ensure that in case one crop (or several) didn't make it, then they'd still have a chance right? but the mono-cropping seeds (pardon my lack of nomenclature) don't allow for that. plus when you use the monsanto strains by agreement, you're not allowed to use other strains (afaicr).

as a scientist, i'm sure you have the best of intentions, but those in the boardroom are only interested in profits. the benefits of science and technology are often at the mercy of profits no?

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Date: 2006-04-22 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
I am not sure if that was a test crop or not. I'd rather read the legal documents from the case than see a documentary about it.

The "documentary" is the worst thing to ever happen to education. It is pablum that is pre-digested and packaged into a compact bolus that someone can swallow and then feel full on...while the REAL educational nutrition is in the original paper format. It would be worth more to read the legal papers on this case than to just watch a film and then make proclamations about it...just like it'd be better to read papers from Baghdad and analysis by defense analysts than to substitute TV or a blog for the initial work of assimilation.

Monsanto is a giant company and is legally bound to pursue profits for its shareholders, so you can't really fault it. The REAL fault lies with lawmakers in agricultural states that drool over dollars invested in jobs so they can get re-elected. From a monetary perspective, the terminator gene is a good idea because each crop can be consistent from year to year and monocropping maximizes the return on investment. From a genetic standpoint, diversity is key, of course, but where can the two areas mesh?

If we, as scientists, started thinking more in Venn diagrams, we might be able to find some solution that goes halfway (constantly research new strains in greenhouses and "lab" fields while doling out new crops that maximize profit),but that's as far as we can do it. Money drives development and there will be NO new strains unless there's money in making them. Research is expensive (I mean EXPENSIVE) and no one is willing to underwrite a project that promises nothing in return. Monsanto and other companies have to scramble for patents and sue competitors (be they companies or Ma and Pa Kettle) because their millions of dollars in R&D will be lost if they don't.


As a scientist, I like to think of myself as the bridge between the known and the unknown, shielded by my lab coat with hundreds of years of science and the ghosts of my predecessors (Bacon, Galileo, Edison, et al.) behind me as I reach for the stars....then I see that a frickin' gram of this primer I want is $4500.


As the wallet goes, so goes morality.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watermirrors.livejournal.com
From an economics perspective I feel this is a policy problem. We have all sorts of price distortions and biased policies driving this. Monoculture is reinforced by things like subsidies and imperfect information is in play in the lack of labeling. As far as I am concerned, patenting of life should not be happening in the first place.

Yes, corporations are funding a lot of research, but the government also funds a lot and that funding tends to go to studies that bolster industries. Scientists would have a lot of work to do if the government was actually studying these strains appropriately before putting them on the market.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
They are tested quite extensively, since the corporation is wholly responsible for damages incurred if anything goes wrong. A company will not, counter to the wet dreams of Luddites and the VW-set, create a plant that mixes animal and plant DNA and then immediately turn it loose on the world without extensive testing. If anything went wrong, it would negatively affect profits and so there's a definite impetus towards safety because safe things don't cost as much.



By the way, for all the talk of it, an animal/plant DNA hybrid has never been released...

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tassellrealm.livejournal.com
If anything went wrong, it would negatively affect profits and so there's a definite impetus towards safety because safe things don't cost as much.


Are you naive, or are you just evil?

http://www.voteyeson27.com/monsanto.htm#anniston

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cerulicante.livejournal.com
OH NO YOU GOT ME I AM SUCH A NAIVE PERSON


You tool, I work in PCB remediation. What you didn't link to are stories from the other dozens of companies that released PCBs into the environment because poly-chlorinated biphenyls were quite valuable in electrical manufacturing. A LOT of companies used them, not just Monsanto. GE is a HUGE culprit and even the "enlightened" EU is guilty:

"On the example of PCB-153, it is shown that the main contribution to the Arctic contamination (approximately 60%) is made by European emission sources. The combined input of African and Asian sources is about 10% of PCB-153 total depositions to the Arctic area."

--From http://www.msceast.org/abstract/303.html

Anytime you get a large company, you're going to get problems and Monsanto is no exception. Granted, they're not very good at planning, but it's the responsibility of lawmakers and enforcement to give Monsanto boundaries. I'd vote yes on 27, myself, but then again I can see that even with Monsanto's screw-ups, there's still hope to fix them and learn from them.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] watermirrors.livejournal.com
I very well know they want to do anything in their power to avoid liabilities, esp. on the human side of things. But the information the government should be looking for is different than what Monsanto cares about. Monsanto could care less about ecological effects, as long as they have the upper hand in lawyers and the government, they really don't have to bother studying those. In the area of human effects, E.G., Starlink, big companies have the dollars to deliver technical information for their side.

I'm not anti-genetic engineering, but when it is monopolistic like Monsanto with excessive power, I do think it is dangerous.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-21 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dzima.livejournal.com
All animals who live in wild pretty exclusively eat "organic" food, correct?

Now, these days a lot of humans would die if people only ate organics. Evidence that there's way too many homo sapiens around.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not if they didn't eat meat - raising animals for slaughter and consumption takes up so much more space than organic food.

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Date: 2006-04-22 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lame-no-antenna.livejournal.com
i saw this in one of my sociology classes. i attend a (somewhat liberal) canadian institution as well, so i was pleased to find out that it was canadian content i was watching.

i hated the class, but this film made up for most of it.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-04-22 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
I agree with you 1000%. Monsanto is a monstrous entity in our world.

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Date: 2006-04-26 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruhue.livejournal.com
ahhhh. i just watched "the corporation" documentary the other night, and am still steeped in the anger about the people not being allowed to save seed because of fucking monsanto.

at the museum gardens where i work, we are members of the Seed Savers Exchange (http://www.seedsavers.org/). we work to save endangered varieties of thousands of types of edible plants. anyone can be a member of seed savers... it is a great grassroots movement to keep it real in the garden - i'm getting our local schools into it, too.

if anyone reading this grows plants, please give it a try - if only to save the Black Sea Man tomato, or the thousands of other varieties you could save by becoming a member (you get access to thousands more varieties of seeds and membership is cheap (http://www.seedsavers.org/products.asp?dept=16)). it's steeped in history, it reeks of diversity, it will save us all. much of the time, you get seeds directly from the other gardeners in whatever state and town they're from, in any variety packagings. last week we got $3.50 and some gourd seeds in the mail from a lady in kansas. it's nifty.

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Date: 2007-06-24 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
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