Getting on with a city is a bit like getting on with a person. Cities, of course, change from day to day and from district to district. Yesterday, for instance, New York filled up with Irish and pseudo-Irish celebrating St Patrick's Day, "the biggest collection of white trash I've ever seen in one place", as I heard a man telling his wife on the phone. But despite these variations, cities do have personalities. I'm a tender-minded, shy person. And New York is brash. Very brash.New York hasn't really changed much since the days when the Irish clashed brashly with the blacks and the Italians in the notorious Five Points neighbourhood (now Columbus Park in Chinatown) recreated in Scorsese's "Gangs of New York". The other day I rode the subway into work as usual, ear-plugs screwed into my ears because the train squeals loudly as it rides the bend between Grand Street and Graham Avenue. The New York subway is twice or three times as loud as anything you'll encounter in Tokyo or Berlin. It clangs and squeals and roars. It also stinks; sometimes a homeless person who hasn't washed for months can make a whole carriage impossible to breathe in. So anyway, I stopped at Hunter College on 68th Street for lunch, because I like the canteen there. I tend to sit outside on the patio, next to the door. People come out here to puff on cigarettes. As well as clouds of smoke, I get clouds of "fucks" drifting across my lunch; the students swear like troopers. This particular day two women from the kitchen staff were there too, puffing cigarettes, complaining about a new chef who was making them cut onions. One was black, one hispanic. Every second word was "fuck" or "shit". I don't really mind hearing people swear, it just seemed unneccessarily vehement. A big effort. Brash just for the sake of being brash.
It isn't just poor, over-worked kitchen staff who swear. After lunch I was walking along East 74th Street between Park and Madison, a very tony and expensive street, and some rich lady who lived there was trying to park, and started shouting at a post office van for blocking her space. I felt sorry for the meek public employee who had to suffer her wrath, just as brash as the kitchen orderlies. Later, I passed a short, swarthy man on Lexington walking up and down, gesticulating into his cellphone shouting that he was going to "fucking crucify" someone, or get his lawyer to do it. Brash!
But maybe brash is hot and hot is warm. The old cliche is that in New York they say "Fuck you!" and mean "Have a nice day!" whereas in LA they say "Have a nice day!" and mean "Fuck you!" Sometimes I think there's some truth in that. This testy, brash head-on style is one I would never adopt, even if I lived here all my life. But I wonder if that isn't because I'm a bit of a cold fish, and would rather disengage politely than really get to grips with someone? Is brashness a form of engagement, even a form of "hard love"? The way a city educates itself about reality, even bonds?
The psychologist William James (1842-1910) distinguished between two basic temperaments, the tough- and the tender-minded. According to Hyperstructures, "the tough-minded individuals are those who are empirically oriented, those who 'go by facts'. By contrast, the tender-minded are rationalists who 'go by principles'. According to James, the history of philosophy is largely the story of the clash between these two temperaments: 'The tough think of the tender as sentimentalists and softheads. The tender feel the tough to be unrefined, callous, or brutal."The Keirsey Temperament Testing website expands: "The Tough-minded are often accused of being "inhuman," "heartless," "stony-hearted," "remote," of having 'ice in their veins," and of living "without the milk of human kindness." In the same way, the Friendly are chided for being "too soft-hearted," "too emotional," "bleeding-hearts," "muddleheaded," "fuzzy-thinkers," and for "wearing their heart on their sleeve."
This breaks the brash and the brittle down to tough and tender, realistic and dreamer, is and ought, right and left, uncaring and friendly. But mightn't it be we tender, polite, principled ones who have "ice in our veins"? After all, we never lose our tempers. That's more icy than nicey, no?
I'm currently living with a bunch of Italian artists in Brooklyn, and when I get home after all these encounters with brash New Yorkers I hear the Italians through the wall, Skyping with their gallerists back in Italy. My Italian isn't great, so I have no idea what they're talking about, but what's interesting is that I can never quite tell whether they're arguing or agreeing. Their tone suggests they're veering weirdly between blasting and bonding, between anger and excitement. There are lots of rich Italian obscenities (culo this, culo that), and the tone sounds brash, but maybe it's a kind of macho bonding.
I think there's a real gulf between tough and tender-minded cultures. Something that always disturbed me about living in Paris, for instance, was that some people expected you to be brash. You'd often be expected to have some tug-of-love tussle with a taxi-driver, a landlady or a neighbour, a conversation full of violent expletives, which would then be resolved in some kind of semi-erotic reconciliation (if you didn't both die in a crime passionel). In Paris, a slap was never far from a kiss. Trouble is, these altercations were with people I neither wanted to slap nor kiss. I just wanted level-headed, cool, civilised neutrality. New York is more like France or Italy than the countries I spend most of my time in, Germany and Japan, where people maintain exactly the sort of cold-fishy, neutral distances I'm used to, and enjoy. It may be that the brash, like chronic alcoholics, attack people only because they love them, and turn their pathetic fights with strangers into love-huddles at the first opportunity. Perhaps if I lived in New York, Dublin, Paris or Rome (perhaps even more so in Hong Kong or Sao Paolo), and drank heavily, I would learn to scream at people that way, scream with a warm heart, scream only to back down later and give a big hug and a big tip. But that's not my way, and it's not the way of the cool, cold, tender-minded cities I frequent.
What do they say about Aquarians again? "Do you only care about the bleeding crowd, how about a needy friend?" We're both tender-minded and somewhat aloof, somewhat abstracted. Maybe the cities I love and choose to live in -- Berlin and Tokyo -- are somewhat Aquarian cities, chilly and tender like me. Brash is something I can't do, and fuck you if you even make me try!
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Date: 2006-03-18 04:32 pm (UTC)Going into the city today, I know I'm going to have to contend with some nasty displays of "honesty," but that's all right—I have the muscle to back up my politeness.
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Date: 2006-03-18 03:57 pm (UTC)Americans are usually labeled "brash" by the English, but I find that the hard-drinking hooligan culture over there competes handily with any "brashness" we produce.
There's also a difference between New York and everywhere else in America. It has its own culture of obscenity and directness. You'd find the South and the Midwest to be quite different, I think.
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Date: 2006-03-18 04:02 pm (UTC)In my experience, Los Angeles is pretty brash as well. The down-side of the not brash is avoidant behavior, sliding even into passive-aggressive. For example, Minnesota Nice (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Minnesota+Nice%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official). Strangely, if one is brought up with that as a greater part of the culture, it's quite comfortable; folks who move here from brasher climes tend to feel frozen out and underappreciated.
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Date: 2006-03-18 04:09 pm (UTC)NYC sounds very scary. People are pretty passive over here in SF. Usually.
Aquarian Cities...(or rather countries)
Date: 2006-03-18 04:10 pm (UTC)Mars/Uranus conjunct ASC in Gemini and could explain the tendancy to be "brash and outspoken" though.
(I don't really know that much about Stockholm's ASC.) I suspect Sweden's Aquarian style overides most of the possessive, family oriented way of Cancerian cities..but still there is a cool exterior people on the "outside" don't seem to like.. where as I feel Stockholmers are "aloof" because they ARE senstive.. but unlike people from NYC.. don't have huge "chips on their shoulders" as a general rule.
I've been interested in asking you for your time of birth Momus, if you don't wish to post it, could you e-post me via the address I have on my LJ (when you are logged in); as I have drawn up your solar chart and would love to see where the ASC is as well as the house placements..(especially for that Venus/Mars conjunction in Capricorn you have ;))
Thank you in advance,
Dorian
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Date: 2006-03-18 05:31 pm (UTC)I've come to the conclusion that a generation that won't read won't know how to speak or spell either.
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Date: 2006-03-18 05:55 pm (UTC)Technically, the Unreliable Tour Guide is rather brash - an inadvertent manifestation of the city itself, perhaps?
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Date: 2006-03-18 07:02 pm (UTC)I was rolling along fine on the Kiersey temparement sorter until I came to:
11. If you must disappoint someone are you usually:
a) frank and straightforward
b) warm and considerate
I think I would be frank, straightforward, warm, and considerate! Mutually exclusive? Nooo.
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Date: 2006-03-18 07:12 pm (UTC)I was struck by the quote from William James,
"According to Hyperstructures, "the tough-minded individuals are those who are empirically oriented, those who 'go by facts'. By contrast, the tender-minded are rationalists who 'go by principles'. According to James, the history of philosophy is largely the story of the clash between these two temperaments: 'The tough think of the tender as sentimentalists and softheads. The tender feel the tough to be unrefined, callous, or brutal."
In our politics in the US today it's just the other way around, the conservatives are sentamentalists, who 'go by principles' and who are unrefined, callous and brutal, while the liberals are empirically oriented and 'go by the facts'.
Temperament: Neurochemically Speaking
Date: 2006-03-18 07:16 pm (UTC)Rationalists or Strategic Thinkers: characterized by power and control, competence, capability, knowledge. CEOs, generals, doctors, scientists, and architects are DOPAMINE-DOMINANT.
Idealists or Dreamers: characterized by reflection, self-discovery, creativity, becoming. Counselors, mediators, ministers, public service professionals, writers, artists, and actors are ACETYLCHOLINE-DOMINANT.
Guardians or Traditionalists: characterized by tradition, conformity, belonging, loyalty, commitment. Administrators, accountants, security officers, nurses, technicians, air-traffic controllers, news reporters, EMTs, bus drivers, and homemakers are GABA-DOMINANT.
Artisans or Dionysians: characterized by sensations, work-as-play, non-conformity, free thinking, living for today. Construction workers, stevedores, crane operators, oil rigers, truck and ambulance drivers, military personnel, hair stylists, bartenders, and pilots are SEROTONIN-DOMINANT.
Further at the link are dietary recommendations for altering each after taking the test (link below) to 'measure' your dominant and deficient categories. The diet slant conceives the possible factor of "different diets, different temperaments"...even cultural predisposition for certain temperaments ("in general, those people are like that"...historical dietary vein in ethnically homogeneous regions...the genetically imprinted delineation of statistical weighting of certain predispositions in said regions... collective veins of certain takes on life within a society).
The Test: http://www.pathmed.com/downloads/BRAVERMAN-assesment.pdf
*Some* educated discussion here(yes, I know...a bodybuilder's forum): http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?s=f2bcf282495ba0c02dd0c546479e9df0&showtopic=13627&st=0
More similar here: http://www.pathmed.com/downloads/NutirNews...n1-11-14-02.pdf
Thanks for the Fruits
Date: 2006-03-18 08:44 pm (UTC)Other than that, I've never been good with emotional verbal exchanges either, but I enjoy a fight or rough wrestle sometimes. It's true that this is the way men tend to bond. It's one of the things I miss about childhood; these things don't happen too much as you get older.
I don't know if you've read Jeanette Winterson's Sexing the Cherry, but it talks about this tendency of people to curse. She describes swearing as a stifling pollution that suffocates everyone in the city.
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Date: 2006-03-19 02:42 am (UTC)Momus fan art!
Date: 2006-03-19 03:48 am (UTC)I love the thought of you in "Stupid Sexy Clothes."
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/stupidsexyclothes.jpg
EMOmus.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/eMomus.jpg
Neko Momus
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/kiyyt.jpg
Maid Momus
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/maidmomus.jpg
Schoolgirl Momus
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/maidmomus.jpg
Sailor Momus
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/sailorman.jpg
Re: Momus fan art!
Date: 2006-03-19 05:02 am (UTC)Just one thing, though, you pasted the URL for Maid Momus twice, and didn't paste the Schoolgirl Momus URL, which is here (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i30/MiskaMarie/schoolgirlmomus.jpg).
I'd love to use one or two of these as new LJ icons, may I?
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Date: 2006-03-19 06:45 am (UTC)My motto is "only the strong can afford to be gentle". And strong doesn't mean asswipe. I don't care much to be around people spewing their devils. That's why there are holes in trees. Strong comes from internal security and confidence that comes from knowing-who-you-are and who doesn't like it can fuck-off.
Maybe you live in a place surrounded by psychopaths. Then armor makes sense. But a friend that's armored all the time? Go work out your issues somewhere else.
sentimental/cruel
Date: 2006-03-19 09:26 pm (UTC)brash! brash!?!
Date: 2006-03-19 09:37 pm (UTC)http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=6820096
Like ColdFishyDizpOhZihshinzzz?
Date: 2006-03-20 03:02 pm (UTC)LOVED your entry. I've been just sitting here reading your entries and I find your stuff insightful, truthful and sarcastic (but in an intelligent way.)
You are the creme o'da crop.
-some jersey girl (akin to the valley girl, only more booji)
wow!
Date: 2006-03-22 11:01 pm (UTC)Were you in Nokia Theatre on the St. Patrick's day? YES! I WAS!!
(Well, actually I've been at Pogues gigs in London, Tokyo and NYC.)
urrrg, I mean, I just wanted to say hi to you :-)
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