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1. Is everyone I know okay?

2. Why do the fuckers always hit public transport?

3. Only two reported killed right now, which is no more than traffic accidents might have killed (the deaths of two pedestrians under cars would have gone pretty much unreported).



4. I suppose this will just click more locks on the manacles of the "security state". The tedious bag checks, citizens treated as potential criminals, the erosion of the civil justice system, queues and paranoia, the compulsory carrying of ID cards. We're all now guilty until proven innocent, and especially those of us who look like strangers, who look like people who think differently. Higher suspicion means higher anomie and higher stress. The delights of the high density city are displaced by the stresses and (still largely imagined) dangers of the high density city. The high density city is always poised delicately between heaven and hell; this tips things over to the hell side. And yet I still believe in the utopian potential of big cities.

5. London going to work is rational, but these attacks are rational too. The attacks are not "crazy" or "meaningless" or "deranged" or "the work of lunatics". One rationality is imposed on another. Two incompatible rationalities in one place. A sign that different rationales exist. But a bad day for difference and for pluralism, when the idea of difference is tainted with the idea of murderousness. Difference is not automatically murderous, just as unity is not automatically benign.

6. Of course it's Al Qaeda. It's not the IRA, it's not some lone hater (like the tube train driver who planted the Admiral Duncan and Brick Lane nail bombs because he hated immigrants and gays). The motive was clearly to send a message to the G8 meeting. Terrorism had slipped a bit on the agenda, replaced by climate change and African debt relief. 7/7 puts terrorism back on the agenda. It will give the Western leaders a pretext for more bold, nakedly aggressive acts which escalate the Middle Eastern situation. It makes an invasion of Iran, for instance, more likely. Bin Laden would love that. His agenda is served by goading the West into acts of aggression which polarize and radicalize "the Arab street". No more middle ground, no more tolerance, no more openness.

The precarious delights of the city tip over into some kind of Hieronymous Bosch hell scene, and suspicion attaches with tedious inevitability to otherness.
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Date: 2005-07-07 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leunnammi.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] london_070705
with roll calls
full: http://www.livejournal.com/community/london_070705/2794.html
A-M: http://www.livejournal.com/community/london_070705/20464.html
N-Z: http://www.livejournal.com/community/london_070705/20636.html

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosechanj.livejournal.com
At this point I'm hoping they don't find a dirty bomb has gone off, although I'd think we'd have heard about such a thing by now. That's how I imagine a dirty bomb attack though, immobilize a city with attacks on mass transit, one of which is radialogical. Everyone's focused on the obvious stuff, people can't move around very well, and getting cooked.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
Then again, al-Qaeda generally go for spectacular attacks with mass casualties, and this wasn't one of those; it was, by all accounts, fairly small-scale compared to Madrid or Bali. Unless it's a feint to draw out the emergency response and help plan a later, more devastating, attack.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickink.livejournal.com
I agree with you completely about 4. and 6., but re 3.

sadly, it looks like many more than 2 people have lost their lives now...

G8 plus Olympics

Date: 2005-07-07 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightspore.livejournal.com
Probably hastily decided on, as the first step in making the Olympics an occasion of fear. Like 9/11 this is bad all around, locally and globally.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leunnammi.livejournal.com
at least 10 on the bus

the tubes are designed to be largely bomb resistant due to the IRA heritage.

From the Washngton Post

Date: 2005-07-07 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightspore.livejournal.com
`A group calling itself "The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" posted a claim of responsibility for the blasts, saying they were in retaliation for Britain's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Web statement, republished on the site of the German magazine Der Spiegel, could not be immediately confirmed.'

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fengi.livejournal.com
Very articulate. My sympathy goes out to you.

Point to add: I really think the rest of the world is now trapped in a self-fulfilling vision of an epic struggle possessed by the Bush and Bin Laden. We expect such summer blockbusters, and drag the rest of the globe along.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caoilte.livejournal.com
Bad as it is, I'm most worried that there'll be lynchings of Muslims. I hope we're better than that but that will be the true test of our national character.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klasensjo.livejournal.com
The train jolted to a stop and people used umbrellas to smash windows to escape.

Umbrellas. So very London. Hope you get well soon.

Al-Queda claims (allegedly)

Date: 2005-07-07 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emilyfurrybear.livejournal.com
from: http://europhobia.blogspot.com/2005/07/london-tube-explosions.html

Jamaat al-Tandheem Al-Sierri (secret organization group)
Organization of Qaeda't al-Jihad in Europe

In the name of God the most merciful...

Rejoice the nation of Islam, rejoice nation of Arabs, the time of revenge has come for the crusaders' Zionist British government.

As retaliation for the massacres which the British commit in Iraq and Afghanistan, the mujahideen have successfully done it this time in London.

And this is Britain now burning from fear and panic from the north to the south, from the east to the west.

We have warned the brutish governments and British nation many times.

And here we are, we have done what we have promised. We have done a military operation after heavy work and planning, which the mujahideen have done, and it has taken a long time to ensure the success of this operation.

And we still warn the government of Denmark and Italy, all the crusader governments, that they will have the same punishment if they do not pull their forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So beware.

Thursday 7/7/2005
Jamaat al-Tandheem Al-Sierri (secret organization group)
Organization of al Qaeda't al-Jihad in Europe.

(no subject)

Date: 2005-07-07 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leunnammi.livejournal.com
and local hotels have been supplying tea to walking wounded

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickink.livejournal.com
It seems (from CNN reports) there are 10s more dead on a train near Kings Cross.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
The official G8 statement, according to the BBC, "condemns the barbaric attacks on London". "Barbaric" already contradicts my point 5, the idea that the attacks were, whether we like it or not, rational. "Barbaric" already contains in it the idea of a higher and a lower level of civilisation living side by side, at the same time. The "civilised" and the "barbarians". Already we see a denial of the idea that there might be rationalities hostile to our own, a rejection of all relativism. Already there's preparation for "civilised" bombs to fall on "barbarian" peoples in far-off lands, preparation for torture and inquisition and crusade.

I would prefer a statement which condemned the attacks as "rational", or a statement which admitted that the attacks used the same language of violence that the G8 nations themselves use when they bomb civilian areas from 50,000 feet.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jermynsavile.livejournal.com
It seems that London has got off relatiively lightly. The only significantg thing that distinguishes this from the IRA's escapades is the attempt to co-ordinate explosions. I think that the reason for this is largely logistical. The IRA were rather more concerned about 'getting away with it'. Multiple bomb plantings increased the chances of getting caught. This lot have less of a concern. Off course I'm not ignoring the effect that the intention of creating terrorist 'spectaculars' has on this as well.

I worry about the effect on our liberties. Defeat isn't in these pigs winning anything through activities like this, defeat can only come from how our societies react.

Re: Al-Queda claims (allegedly)

Date: 2005-07-07 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jermynsavile.livejournal.com
'And this is Britain now burning from fear and panic from the north to the south, from the east to the west.'

Well, hardly...

Rather prone to hyperbole aren't they.

Re: From the Washngton Post

Date: 2005-07-07 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
Yes, well, the usual pattern after a major terrorist attack is that all sorts of nutters come out of the woodwork and claim responsibility. Free publicity and all that.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
'London got off lightly'...- as in - this is the extent of terror attacks here? No, just the opposite - makes you scared that worse is to come for our crazy fair city.

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcgazz.livejournal.com
According to the research done on dirty bopmbs, the commuters would have to stay in the city centre for a full year before they died of radiation-related effects. I'd imagine even London could get its public transport up and running again by then ;-)

Also, if you're trying to spread material as far and as wide as possible, surely the last place to blow up your bomb would be down a tube tunnel?

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Date: 2005-07-07 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcgazz.livejournal.com
It's okay, we've rushed Harry Potter off to a secret location, out of danger.

Re: Al-Queda claims (allegedly)

Date: 2005-07-07 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamesward.livejournal.com
"And this is Britain now going down the pub for a pint and wondering if this means there's no point coming in to work tomorrow"

no point?

Date: 2005-07-07 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leunnammi.livejournal.com
"can get away with not" surely.

(no subject)

Date: 2005-07-07 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loosechanj.livejournal.com
Psh, there you go bringing facts into a perfectly logical fearmongering.

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Date: 2005-07-07 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dzima.livejournal.com
Just heard on the news that the G8 leaders were going to talk about global warming (and America's stand about it) today at their meeting but due to the attacks this has been scrapped and they are now discussing "The War on Terror". It's unbelievable.

(no subject)

Date: 2005-07-07 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jermynsavile.livejournal.com
I dare say. I don't kid myself that this is likely to be the end of it for London, or anywhere else.
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