Dramatic and interesting things -- things that only I can see, via the "View Recent Comments" button -- sometimes happen at the end of old Click Opera threads, often when people arrive here by googling. A case in point is the dialogue that's been happening this week at the end of Superlegitimacy: passion and ecstasy of a Tokyo train driver.

Superlegitimacy is one of Click Opera's more significant posts, one I've rewritten and published. It appeared in a catalogue about the artist Matt Stokes and will pop up in The Book of Scotlands, transmuted for comic effect to a Scottish setting: "Yesterday I took one of Edinburgh's beautiful new trams, from Pilton to Restalrig. I was standing in the first car, right behind the driver."
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Shortly after I rewrote the Superlegitimacy piece with a Scottish setting, an American train driver calling himself "Delta" started adding comments to the original thread.
"While I understand -- at least superficially -- the notion of superlegitimacy in Japanese living culture, in sharp contrast to western individualism mistaken as legitimacy, I have to wonder whether the train driver's actions really betray superlegitimacy," he wrote.
"I am a train driver myself, in the US (train engineer is the term we use here) and I see the difference daily: train drivers is what we do for a living, not who we are, and we would rather be scientists, movie stars or politicians to earn legitimacy. I personally disagree with this notion and tend to see my profession as a deeper calling, which, in a sense, guarantees its legitimacy for me.
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"I have no doubt that the Japanese train driver in the video wears his uniform on off days and may even be addressed as Mr. Train Driver by his wife -- this is who he is and without his role, Japan could not survive.
"Still, his actions betray something quite different: ritual habits. In our profession, many actions must be ritualistic, even in western societies. The complexity of the job requires that the driver practice good habits -- really, rituals -- or run the danger of forgetting something critical. The job requires persistent focus, continual analysis of conditions ahead and constant multitasking. In an environment such as this, practicing rituals helps simplify what is already too complicated.
"This may indeed be little more than "mirror, signal, manoeuvre."
"Still, fascinating for western eyes to see. Do you have a longer video of that fellow you could post?
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I responded enthusiastically: "Wow, great to hear from a real train driver on this thread! And I take your point about ritual existing even in the West, and being a necessary part of the job. The film I posted is all the video I have, alas, but there may be other video of Japanese train drivers on YouTube."
"Very good point," said Delta, and then went off and found the videos I've embedded on this page, "in which it is explained why these engineers make certain pointing motions".
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After watching these videos, Delta noted one where drivers (or possibly conductors) are changing shifts. "They seem to compare watches (having standard time on railroads is critical), exchange words and salute. Another ritual."
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Ritual becomes Delta's explanation for the strange movements I'd noticed in my Tokyo train driver: "Looking at the last engineer, it seems to me that what he is doing is "going through the motions." Before taking any action, such as throttle out, he checks conditions outside (e.g., the signal governing his movement), and inside his cab (indicators, doors-closed lights, etc.). ALL engineers must go through these checks before moving. It seems that Japanese engineers are required to actually point physically to items being checked. This will reinforce completeness for the checklist and assure that no brain lapses happen."
Delta concludes: "Ours is an extremely high responsibility. I like the Japanese approach.
"Again, however, this does not mean that your original point is invalid."

Superlegitimacy is one of Click Opera's more significant posts, one I've rewritten and published. It appeared in a catalogue about the artist Matt Stokes and will pop up in The Book of Scotlands, transmuted for comic effect to a Scottish setting: "Yesterday I took one of Edinburgh's beautiful new trams, from Pilton to Restalrig. I was standing in the first car, right behind the driver."
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Shortly after I rewrote the Superlegitimacy piece with a Scottish setting, an American train driver calling himself "Delta" started adding comments to the original thread.
"While I understand -- at least superficially -- the notion of superlegitimacy in Japanese living culture, in sharp contrast to western individualism mistaken as legitimacy, I have to wonder whether the train driver's actions really betray superlegitimacy," he wrote.
"I am a train driver myself, in the US (train engineer is the term we use here) and I see the difference daily: train drivers is what we do for a living, not who we are, and we would rather be scientists, movie stars or politicians to earn legitimacy. I personally disagree with this notion and tend to see my profession as a deeper calling, which, in a sense, guarantees its legitimacy for me.
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"I have no doubt that the Japanese train driver in the video wears his uniform on off days and may even be addressed as Mr. Train Driver by his wife -- this is who he is and without his role, Japan could not survive.
"Still, his actions betray something quite different: ritual habits. In our profession, many actions must be ritualistic, even in western societies. The complexity of the job requires that the driver practice good habits -- really, rituals -- or run the danger of forgetting something critical. The job requires persistent focus, continual analysis of conditions ahead and constant multitasking. In an environment such as this, practicing rituals helps simplify what is already too complicated.
"This may indeed be little more than "mirror, signal, manoeuvre."
"Still, fascinating for western eyes to see. Do you have a longer video of that fellow you could post?
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I responded enthusiastically: "Wow, great to hear from a real train driver on this thread! And I take your point about ritual existing even in the West, and being a necessary part of the job. The film I posted is all the video I have, alas, but there may be other video of Japanese train drivers on YouTube."
"Very good point," said Delta, and then went off and found the videos I've embedded on this page, "in which it is explained why these engineers make certain pointing motions".
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After watching these videos, Delta noted one where drivers (or possibly conductors) are changing shifts. "They seem to compare watches (having standard time on railroads is critical), exchange words and salute. Another ritual."
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Ritual becomes Delta's explanation for the strange movements I'd noticed in my Tokyo train driver: "Looking at the last engineer, it seems to me that what he is doing is "going through the motions." Before taking any action, such as throttle out, he checks conditions outside (e.g., the signal governing his movement), and inside his cab (indicators, doors-closed lights, etc.). ALL engineers must go through these checks before moving. It seems that Japanese engineers are required to actually point physically to items being checked. This will reinforce completeness for the checklist and assure that no brain lapses happen."
Delta concludes: "Ours is an extremely high responsibility. I like the Japanese approach.
"Again, however, this does not mean that your original point is invalid."
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 10:31 am (UTC)If a train driver goes on holiday, say to Amsterdam, they can meet up with their Amsterdam tran driver Brothers and well,
drive the Amsterdam trains!
Quite the honor, I'd say.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 11:00 am (UTC)Dr. O.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 11:44 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 12:49 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 02:08 pm (UTC)And a sexy one at that...
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Date: 2008-10-05 03:12 pm (UTC)Everyone looks and acts quite militarian, but it's softened by the lack of a masculine presence. You can detect a sense of self-consciousness underneath the nonchalance and regiment, especially apparent in that young female commuter. towards the end the camera is then turned on the blond, blue-eyed, foreign camerawoman who gives a knowing glance to the camera -- This level of stiltedness is a strange, unfamiliar relic of the past in the West. You retrospectively start to wonder whether being filmed by a foreigner, knowing the foreigner finds it all quite odd, prompted these Japanese people to become so self-aware. The "us & them" dynamic suddenly comes into play.
The uniforms, the voyeurism, the vulnerability, the young women... you could cut the sexual atmosphere with a knife. The whole video is really sexy.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 03:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 03:26 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 03:53 pm (UTC)Clearly. You must have heard of 花電車 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_train_car) (hana-densha - Flower Trains) women-only carriages. So many young women were reporting that they were getting groped on trains they had to designate women-only areas!
And take a look at this sign:
Signs warning men about showing mooseknuckle (http://www.ehow.com/how_2095435_avoid-having-moose-knuckle.html)? Do these people have sex on the brain?
Trams
Date: 2008-10-05 03:54 pm (UTC)CS
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 04:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 05:16 pm (UTC)http://www.last.fm/music/Half+Man+Half+Biscuit/_/Time+Flies+By+(When+You're+the+Driver+of+a+Train)
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 05:47 pm (UTC)"I Often Dream Of Trains" or...
Date: 2008-10-05 05:55 pm (UTC)My Dad worked as a Fireman on the Railroad. He shoveled coal into the firebox (http://members.kos.net/sdgagnon/st5.jpg) of a steam engine.
He could talk for long time about coal shoveling techniques that would ensure an even fire.
It was a lot of work keeping that 2200 degree Fahrenheit fire going just right. He said it was the Fireman who really ran the train.
Part bluster, part truth.
He gave it up when I was very young. Too much time away from the family.
I think he lost a large part of his identity. But the diesel engine was about to take it from him anyway.
I think of him when I hear phrases like "build up enough steam" or "I ran out of steam"
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 06:44 pm (UTC)Re: Trams
Date: 2008-10-05 06:53 pm (UTC)Re: Trams
Date: 2008-10-05 06:57 pm (UTC)"In March 2007, he donated £500 000 to the Scottish National Party, citing an imbalance of funding within Scottish politics. One month later, in April 2007, the SNP's commitment (made at the party's 2006 conference) to re-regulate the bus network was dropped from the 2007 manifesto, although the SNP denies any direct link."
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 06:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 07:38 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 08:16 pm (UTC)(a) By tradition; a belief in the legitimacy of what has always existed;
(b) by virtue of affectual attitudes, especially emotional, legitimizing the validity of what is newly revealed or a model to imitate;
(c) by virtue of a rational belief in its absolute value, thus lending it the validity of an absolute and final commitment;
(d) because it has been established in a manner which is recognised to be legal. This legality may be treated as legitimate in either of two ways: on the one hand, it may derive from a voluntary agreement of the interested parties on the relevant terms. On the other hand, it may be imposed on the basis of what is held to be a legitimate authority over the relevant persons and a corresponding claim to their obedience....
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 08:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 08:45 pm (UTC)Category A eg. The belief that humans are social animals.
Category B eg. Organic farming is more "ethical" and "natural", leading to "better" crops.
Category C eg. Managing your eating habits to maintain a healthy weight and to obtain sufficient nutrition, outside of merely following your hunger.
Category D eg. (this one is very broad) Blindly following the advice of someone with more experience, having faith their experience is worth more than your inexperienced judgment.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 09:47 pm (UTC)My first impressions of Japan were that this was what Victorian England must have felt like, so I don't say it's necessarily an Asian phenomenon. But Confucian attitudes and collectivist attitudes and a certain fetishism (as well as a "horizontal authoritarianism", "society as god" and all those other things I mentioned in the original article) make Japanese society feel much more intensely legitimate than our own "maverick" and "punk" societies, where everybody is supposed to be challenging everything all the time, out for himself, and so on.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 10:39 pm (UTC)Western individualism is about the legitimacy of being true to ones self, true to your emotions. But this individualism allows us to relate within a group, thats its main function.
Re: Trams
Date: 2008-10-05 10:42 pm (UTC)Good way of looking at it, although I think they're likely to cause subsidence and the castle might fall over.
CS
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-05 10:45 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-06 11:40 am (UTC)I was in Shinjuku station and I was glad that I was surrounded by Japanese. It was all very cordial and people were very polite. Osaka is an entirely different matter...
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-06 11:50 am (UTC)It's distinctly non-romantic and very, very Western, indeed.
Wait...you HAVE actually talked to real Japanese before, right? Sometimes, I think you prefer fetishizing Japanese from a distance or in "safe" environments with like-minded Japanese rather than soiling yourself with the sordidness of a capitalistic Asian society. It won't kill you if you eat yakitori with some drunken salarymen from NEC or Sony, you know. You might learn something, too. I always do.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-10-06 12:12 pm (UTC)Engineer as distracted object of affection
Date: 2008-10-07 02:16 am (UTC)