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In 1995 BBC Radio 3 sent Karlheinz Stockhausen -- who died the other day -- a package containing recordings by Aphex Twin, Plastikman, Scanner and Daniel Pemberton. Dick Witts (formerly vocalist in The Passage, an excellent experimental pop group in the early 80s) then interviewed Stockhausen and asked what advice he had for the young composers. Stockhausen said they should give up repetition, likening the constant iteration to the sound of "someone who is stuttering all the time". The youngest of the artists, Daniel Pemberton, responded that Stockhausen's music wasn't bad considering the time it was made (the 1960s) but wished that the German "would use more basic repetition".

Mark E. Smith once sang about how his band The Fall had "repetition in the music and we're never gonna lose it", even inserting a joke about "the three Rs: repetition, repetition, repetition". But I wonder if Stockhausen wasn't right; I wonder if repetition hasn't been the death of pop music. Not just repetition on the simple formal level of the loop, the beat and the groove, but the bigger question of repetition of gestures and sounds from pop's own past. I wonder if it isn't precisely repetition -- and technology's ability to help us repeat ever-more-accurately, in ever-higher definition -- which has made pop music, in fact, "lose it".

Today pop music has become a slow-moving interpretive art, a classical art involving more renovation than innovation, more repertoire than research. In fact, I used to think that the R in A&R stood for "research" (Artists and Research). I soon discovered it stands for "repertoire". It's an interesting word, a word that entered English from French in 1847. It means a stock list (a canon) of dramas, operas or musical works a company can perform. A repertory theatre company (called a "stock" company in the US) is one, usually based in a small town, with a list of plays they're ready to perform, a stock list.

A music industry that poured as much money into artistic research as into, say, the quest for perfect sound might have brought pop music to a place beyond repetition -- a place as splendidly future-oriented as the ones Stockhausen discovered. Instead, pop music is caught up in the epigonal anxieties I've described here before; a fear of repetition leading to the fulfillment of that fear in the form of ever-diminishing circles yielding ever-smaller artistic returns. Think of pop radio, with its ring-fenced playlists of evergreen retro classics. Pop now has an iconic, canonical tradition more hidebound and static than 19th century classical music ever was.

Somewhat unexpectedly, technology has restricted pop's artistic development rather than facilitating change: new media like CD, mp3 and You Tube accelerated a "total recall" state in which nothing could ever get lost. A sort of "archive fever" was the result -- endless recycling of past glories, endless Top 10 lists, endless academic dissections of decades'-old minutiae, and yet more of the anxiety that we'd never be able to outstrip the magnificent achievements of the canonical past. Increasingly, our artform has become a retrospective one, an interpretive one like classical music. The emphasis has switched from big paradigm shifts (the last were perhaps punk and hip hop) to small nuances of interpretation, embroideries on blueprints handed down through an electronic version of the academy, stocked with a heritage of digitally-archived tradition. Put this together with the logic of a cultural era (postmodernism) which made endless recycling and retro-conservatism intellectually respectable, and the effect has been stultifying indeed.

It isn't just that we've swung away from research and towards repertoire, or that we all stutter now with repetition. It's also that we've forgotten how to forget, and forgetting is tremendously important. This is a point that came up in an interesting talk given by film director Mike Figgis as part of BBC Radio 3's recent Freethinking Festival. In a 44-minute lecture entitled Too Much Culture, Figgis advanced the idea that our inability to let things go -- he used the image of a lake, able to collect new water from streams, but with a dam blocking its output to the sea -- is doing us harm. Here's what he had to say about popular music:

"The 1950s was the birth of rock'n'roll. And let's say we can argue that the king of rock'n'roll is Elvis Presley. One of the most famous actors of that period is Marilyn Monroe, but there's also James Dean, there's Marlon Brando, and any number of other figures that we would now call icons. And they were recorded in the 1950s. And I wonder why, fifty years on, 2007, when you go to an event, say popular music, we're still seeing Elvis Presley. We're still seeing someone accompanied by two guitars and a bass and drums, and a chord structure which is pretty much three chords and twelve bars. There's nothing wrong with rock'n'roll in its limited way. But fifty years on they're still wearing the same clothes. They're still singing the same songs. And they're still trying to look like Elvis. Think about it -- it's jeans, it's leather jackets, nothing's changed. Now let's take 1957, say, and go back fifty years. That would be 1907, right? Can you imagine in 1957 the youth wanting to look and sound like someone from 1907? It's unthinkable. Because that seems like the dark ages. That's prehistoric, baby. So why? Why suddenly are we stuck in 1957? And I think the reason why is that we've become the prisoner of this reproductive image of ourselves, and we can't let it go."



Thanks to our conservative tastes and our advanced technology, we can't forget, can't purge, can't let stuff flow and go, can't rip it all up and start again, an act of destruction which is crucial to all acts of new creation. I don't entirely agree with Figgis -- I think "ubiquity is the abyss", in other words, total recall is a form of forgetting, and I think that formats today are much more frail than we think (look at CD-ROMs and websites, here today, gone tomorrow) -- and I think he underestimates the fact that 1957 to now is all part of the postmodern period, and that's why it all feels so similar, but that we're about to leave it and make something new.

But I think it's true that we're now in an age where popular music, once a low and scurrilous and delightfully ephemeral, expressive and effusive medium, has become a new sort of academicism. "But Nick, it's not as if you're going into museums and seeing Cramps shows exhibited there, is it?" Well, actually, yes, it is. On Saturday I went to see an interesting show at Kunst-Werke, a show of re-enactments and restagings called History Will Repeat Itself. In one room they had Jeremy Deller's re-enactment of The Battle of Orgreave (the confrontation between Margaret Thatcher and the National Union of Mineworkers) -- directed, incidentally, by Mike Figgis. Right next door was File Under Sacred Music by my friends Iain Forsyth and Jane Pollard. It's a recreation of a legendary Cramps gig at the Napa State Mental Institute. And here it is on video in a museum, recreated (interpreted) by actors, presented as high art.

It's even happened to me -- recently I told you how surprised I was to discover that a casual concert I played at an art opening in Vienna was to enter the exhibition at the Secession. A looped video archived and monumentalised the performance mere hours after it happened. That's fast! But in another sense, it's respect, repetition, repertoire and repertory. And when that happens to your medium, everything slows down.
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Date: 2007-12-10 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This kind of critique has become so de rigueur of late that I find myself a bit suspicious of it. It fits well enough with today's rock music, but does it fit so well with, say, Britney's new album? I'm not so sure.

Also, you yourself seem to be stuck in a golden bygone age. Only yours happens to be modernism, which finds its transcendental values in experimentalism, newness, convention-breaking - those things that postmodernism banished or bundled into pastiche. The trouble is that postmodernism happened precisely because modernism dissolved into contradiction. Once you throw out convention then that also means there is no convention to break,and things dissipate into randomness, chaos. And when you have conventions that are so tight - like in modern R&B for instance - then the slightest shift can have meaning.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
But if I'm saying "repetition is over-rated" there's always some Modernisthead ready to quote John Cage's take on Erik Satie: that if something's boring after 20 minutes, play it for 40 minutes, and so on, until it stops being boring. And I just think "repetition (including of that gem) is over-rated!"

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
"yet more of the anxiety that we'd never be able to outstrip the magnificent achievements of the canonical past."

Oh, I guess I missed that.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, for someone who thinks repetition is overrated, you certainly give the pop-is-choking-on-its-own-past meme at least a weekly outing!

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desant012.livejournal.com
I think one issue that goes largely ignored is that there's so much decent-good stuff that's produced so quickly and is so easily gotten a hold of, that music has become like chewing gum... the flavor lasts only a few minutes, and you throw it away without a single thought.

Say, back in the 80s you'd have to wait for the next Flexipop or whatever to hear the latest z-grade electronic pop group. Now you can download a 1,000 a day off torrents , slx, myspace, your friends sending you links, etc. Music has lost its Sacred Experience now that the control from the top has been lost.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Now let's take 1957, say, and go back fifty years. That would be 1907, right? Can you imagine in 1957 the youth wanting to look and sound like someone from 1907?

Has Mike Figgis never heard of Teddy Boys?

Hop on over to my journal

Date: 2007-12-10 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ankh156.livejournal.com
I got a link to his (brilliant) 1956 piece "Gesang der Juenglinge".

I've been a fan of his since about 1967.

Did you hear Eno defending him gainst the scorn of Jim Naughtie on saturday morning ?

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
and I don't think a lot of bands ""still look like Elvis" or ever did - I mean, watching old clips of Morrissey or Depeche Mode hamming it up in James Dean wear looks ... weird. It's only in the past 6 or so years that people 1) started listening to rock music again and 2) started wearing jeans again.

Remember when nobody listened to rock or wore denim? The world was entirely electronic music and hip-hop, and I still think that's mostly true, and maybe there are still a few new good ideas out there. Rock is retro-necro or whatever you call it because ... most people gave up on rock except the dreary NPR indie crowd (who are by nature conservative), and all the best stuff -is- in the past. The new ideas went into electronic, "experimental", and hip-hop. When's the last time you heard somebody sample Funky Drummer?

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
I do get a warm, nostalgic feeling when you air your modernist laundry like this, Nick. Not saying you don't have a valid point--you do, but so did the Edwardians who decried the ruthless presentism of the Moderns (Or at least they might have, if their generation had actually survived The Great War). Unfortunately, burning through ideas at such a feverish clip is a trick a culture can only do once. It can't be sustained.

We all come up with rationales for our aesthetic leanings, but really it's all just appetite or restlessness. And when that builds to sufficient levels, that's probably when something important will happen. We live in a period of decadence, an age when the forms native to the culture are approaching exhaustion--but this too shall pass. Something awful or momentous will occur that will bring about a sea change.

Anyway, is it really surprising that the majority of people, when confronted with reconciling the contemporary with the timeworn, will err on the side of the 'tried and true' forms? After all, without this human tendency, we wouldn't have a culture to critique. There'd be no baseline.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Or mods? Those Edwardian suits!

I also recall a popular fascination with the Roaring 20's back in the 60's.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robotmummies.livejournal.com
I think pop music is still serving the same purpose it has since car radios were invented, as some content to put in between commercials and a part of some ritual. There is no purpose for it to do anything beyond occasionally refreshing itself between the "good old" and the "new," neither of which are so. Unless some musician really wants to make an artistic contribution, which is probably a frustrating undertaking and not very realistic an expectation. I've noticed since about the time the American Idol shows started, they are slowly releasing more and more singles that are just covers of random old hit songs that do little to differentiate themselves from the originals.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
Mike Figgis is a giant loln00b.

who´s that little girl in the candyshop?

Date: 2007-12-10 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
"music has become like chewing gum."

You say that like it´s a bad thing.

Stockhausen RIP BBC Radio

Date: 2007-12-10 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinrimbaud.livejournal.com
Hi Nick

Interesting to read your words on this departure of Stockhausen. Strangely for me I received an email from the family on Friday afternoon regarding his death, posted an update on Facebook and within less than thirty seconds the BBC news were calling me to comment and confirm this. It seems that I inadvertently broke the news to the BBC. As such I swiftly became the person to respond to this newsworthy tale and ended up speaking about him live on BBC Radio 4's flagship arts show, Front Row. It's still there if anyone is interested in hearing my rather flustered comments, given very little preparation at all.

Robin

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Karlheinz Stockhausen RIP
Kirsty Lang and composer & sound-artist Scanner reflect on the life and achievements of Karlheinz Stockhausen, the prolific German composer - whose death has just been announced - and hear from a Front Row interview with Stockhausen himself, in 2005, in which he declared how much he adored music-boxes…

Hope you might enjoy the story...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/past_programmes.shtml

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi Nick,

I was wondering if you have read Alex Ross' "The Rest is Noise:Listening to the 20th Century" yet. It is an interesting account of the 20th century's so called classical music. I really enjoyed the book, but I found the ending to be a bit too hopeful for pop music and new composers. There are very few out there moving forward instead of looking backward.

Jared

Re: who´s that little girl in the candyshop?

Date: 2007-12-10 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just a neutral observation.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Oh hey--I found a way out: The Thummer! (http://www.thummer.com/)

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Somewhat related: Ian's recent interviews in the UK (http://www.vbs.tv/softfocus/) may be of interest.

Re: Stockhausen RIP BBC Radio

Date: 2007-12-10 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)

I had a strange and somewhat uncanny experience related to Stockhausen's death. On Dec. 2, I selected a book of his writings ("Stockhausen on Music" published by Marion Boyars), which I had been neglecting since purchasing it a few years ago, for the train ride on an outing. The following day (Dec. 3) I took the book out of my bag and placed it on my living room table, where it sat for the rest of the week, and still sits.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unwoman.livejournal.com
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Re: Hop on over to my journal

Date: 2007-12-10 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I didn't hear Eno defending him, but I'm listening right now -- click here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ram/today3_eighthirty_20071208.ram) and wind forward to 19mins 50secs.
From: [identity profile] lupoleboucher.livejournal.com
I don't think pop music died because of repetition. I think it only succeeded because of repetition. Pop music is West African tribal music with a more or less thin veneer of western classical formalism, using Western amplification technology. It succeeds for the same reasons that the Japanese Taiko or Maori Haka succeeds. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LNjNXt1yM&feature=related) Its invention, mass production and world distribution is a great multicultural American achievement. The fact that the entire rest of the world hasn't come up with a witty ripsote (other than 'emo' riffs off the basic form) yet isn't our fault. Nor is it our fault that the baby boomers are disgusting old people who won't let go of their 'dead' art form. There were still brass bands playing Sousa marches in the town square of my hometown for the WW-1 vets when I was a boy also; that's just the nature of old people.

I thought first wave industrial music had a fair chance of eventually turning into something original, but, alas, most of them never learned how to play their instruments, and the ones who did (Graeme Revell, etc) went onto a career in making boring incidental music. The ones who endure (Zoviet France, NoN, Test Department) used a lot of repetition.

I never thought Stockhausen was worth a tinkers damn; he appeared to be a mere showboater compared to Pierre Schaefer, Xenakis or György Ligeti. Woo-woo serialism! I'd have been more impressed if it was pleasant to listen to. Oh sure, when you think about the use of the notes, it is kind of clever; but it's only vaguely mathematically clever. It's a lot more interesting to read real mathematics, rather than his half-baked transvestite of a music. Wanker. The earth will swallow him up as if he never existed, like the gilded turd he was.

Meanwhile, there is still plenty of 'new' music from old cultures to be had. One could come up with a new form of pop music based on scottish pibroch, if one were clever. Nigel Ayers gave it a go, back when he was still creative. Saor Patrol was even more successful, even if their piper can't play the damn gracenotes.


Re: Stockhausen RIP BBC Radio

Date: 2007-12-10 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Hello Robin, (I owe you an email, been meaning to write for ages), just listened to the Front Row piece (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/frontrow_fri). You managed to get in more perspective than Eno did in his talk with the rather-less-respectful James Naughtie. I find the tone of these British assessments (even the "respectful" ones) amazingly negative. It's really as if someone like Stockhausen still had it all to prove, or were some kind of aesthetic equivalent of socialism, something you have to run out of town and declare dead because it's a personal affront to your values. But of course nothing guarantees aesthetic radicalism better than aesthetic conservatism, so perhaps these attitudes make new Stockhausens... well, if not inevitable, at least necessary.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-12-10 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skazat.livejournal.com
Oh, there's use in pop music. Let's see: sometimes it's fun to listen to and to dance to. If that's the ritual you're talkin' about, I'm all about it. And makeout to. In cars.

If music is too interesting, it's hard to work to. It's hard (for me) to always work without music. Like any type of art, it's nice for (at least) me to give it my full attention. And when I want to, I do. If I can't, I find I can't enjoy it - or I miss something.

Somewhat unoriginal music I guess has an ecological niche. The same with dancing: I do enjoy some crazy insane stuff, but Blur's, "Boys and Girls" sure still seems to fill up the dance floor and dancing to it makes me happy. Most of the music my much more musically fluent DJ friend spins I'd still call, "disco", even if it's prefixed with, "Italo" - it's still disco.

Even pop stuff on TV has an ecological niche - I don't have to think about what I'm watching when I do (on a lark) watch the, "Sing the Next Five Lines and You Win a BILLION DOLLARS" show, but after I've been critically thinking for 8 hours, it's nice to sit down and talk a break for 15 and just let things in the brain settle down.

Passively, I do seem to enjoy pop culture. I do understand some (most?) people live their lives passively most of the time. I couldn't really get behind that.
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Can you imagine the scents wafting about the inside of that tour bus?

! part peat
1 part pipe tobacco
1 part whiskey vapor
2 parts haggis-derived flautus
1 part stale sweat
1 part wet wool
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