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I experience at first hand Santiago Calatrava's Turning Torso -- the leaning tower of Malmö.

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Date: 2007-11-25 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
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Date: 2007-11-25 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
Nice cap you got there. :) By the way, I am glad that you fulfilled my wish of you coming over here once again. Too bad I missed it, but I hope that you return another time again.

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Date: 2007-11-25 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Handsome building.

More often than not, I think Calatrava strikes a nice balance--his work is clean and sleek without feeling brutal and aggressive. I like his allegories to natural forms and his optimistic tone.

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Date: 2007-11-25 09:54 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2007-11-25 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I mentioned you in my Down With Fun lecture in Malmo, yer lordship. I wondered what values might rush into the void if we could somehow remove "fun" as our society's ultimate good, and mused that these alternative values might be things like joy, pleasure, difficulty, beauty, political engagement or dandyism (which is damned hard work to orchestrate, and a vocation, not a "bit o' fun").

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Date: 2007-11-25 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alaplantine.livejournal.com
j' aime bien ce quartier de malmö.

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Date: 2007-11-25 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Always happy to serve as fodder, natch.

Did I miss the inevitable discussion as to how we draw the line between fun and pleasure/joy? I'd assume that pleasure might be described as a more nourishing, profound form of fun? Perhaps fun is a momentary diversion that leaves one amused but unmoved, but joy and pleasure might cause one's personal emblems to clang loudly in one's head...

And yes: primpin' ain't easy. Primpin' and failin' doubly so. Such is "ishism"!

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Date: 2007-11-26 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Fun is a sugar hit, pleasure contains vitamins and minerals?

Fun X - Pleasure Y axis

Date: 2007-11-26 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pay-option07.livejournal.com
I'm assuming that Inglehart Value Map
would place fun in the traditional / survival scatter while the Western decadent modernists would accept it as a lifestyle of self expression and creativity. Oui!

The Malmo Torso has more fun and pleasure than that giant pickle in London.

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Date: 2007-11-26 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
one of the nicest thing about it is its tiny (almost non-)footprint.

did you check some of the very sensible small/medium scale buildings around? some really nice stuff

did you check some

Date: 2007-11-26 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akabe.livejournal.com
evidently you did

Re: Miming

Date: 2007-11-26 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anglerfish96.livejournal.com
Don't quit your day job.

:P

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Date: 2007-11-26 03:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
oh momus, you know you're too much of a pansy to actually make a building lean like that, much less push a stick down to the ground

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Date: 2007-11-26 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Of course, if you find dandyism "fulfilling", you may be doing it wrong--which of course I am, because I do (Inhabiting an archetype is fun, but synthesizing it is pleasurable?)

I'm keen to visit Scandinavia, including Sweden--it's been kind to me (YKKY, et al). However, I may not meet their "urinal index" (the height at which the urinals are set in their airports). Had a similar problem in South Africa. Nowhere for a poor midge to pee; even the shrubs were too high.

Urinal index. Now that would be a fun chart.

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Date: 2007-11-26 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
the gentle sloping looks very human

nightmare

Date: 2007-11-26 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19091977.livejournal.com
must be partly to do with growing up in earthquake country, but that thing looks like a nightmare. like, "here's your new apartment mr. sean!"
"nooooooo!"

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Date: 2007-11-26 08:30 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You know where this is going - 'Vitamin J: Why J-pop is the only fun that's good for you'.

Re: Fun X - Pleasure Y axis

Date: 2007-11-26 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polocrunch.livejournal.com
Pfff, but all that the Torso alludes to in nature is the stem of a plant. The Gherkin, on the other hand could be a pickle, a funny-shaped gourd, a really ugly erection, or any number of slightly unsightly objects.

But maybe they're both visual jokes tailored to their surroundings. The Gherkin is elegant and cutting edge and yet it looks like a giant dildo on the skyline, perfectly suited to the ugliness of London architecture and business culture, while the Torso is busy tricking you into thinking it's something it's not: about to collapse; a famous building in Tuscany; a giant stick of fennel; impossible; a metaphor for the Scandinavian habit of dangling their ideal (but unattainable) societies in front of the rest of the world. Your eye is never going to be satisfied, and you'll never "get to Denmark".

Hmm, I've been reading too much imomus.

Re: Fun X - Pleasure Y axis

Date: 2007-11-26 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Your eye is never going to be satisfied, and you'll never "get to Denmark".

Actually there's a big bridge to Denmark in sight of the Torso!

Re: Fun X - Pleasure Y axis

Date: 2007-11-27 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polocrunch.livejournal.com
But metaphorically that bridge has no end. Figuratively speaking. In the abstract sense. Yah?