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"An awful lot of recent music, much of which I adore, sounds horrible," says Nick Southall in a great article for Stylus Magazine. It sounds horrible because, in a sort of audio arms race, record labels and bands clip and boost and compress their sound until it's thicker and thicker, louder and louder, hotter and hotter. It happens during recording, and it happens during mixing, and it happens during mastering. It happens because bands want to sound louder than the last CD you played and louder than the record next to them on the radio. Or at least as loud. Without you touching the dial. But as a result, people like Nick, who want "to hear everything possible, every detail in every song, soak it in and lose myself in it" are utterly frustrated. What you gain in sheer volume you lose in dynamics.



I get more and more interested in quiet recordings -- the kind that, when you open them up in audio software, don't look like a major earthquake just knocked the line off the edges of the chart. Of course, quiet recordings are the hardest to make. Last night I was trying to record the trumpeting coo of my rabbit's mating sounds as it dances around my feet (he's a foot fetishist, don't ask). The soft honk seems clear enough to the naked ear, but the recording turned out muddy, all mixed up with ambient sounds, impacts and motor noise. Later I was watching Peter Greenaway's film about John Cage (the Four American Composers series is up on ubu.com in its entirety, brilliant stuff). The film is full of quiet sounds and loud ones -- all the delights of dynamics, in other words. It also quotes Cage's brilliant put-down from "Indeterminacy":

"It isn’t useful, music isn’t, unless it develops our powers of audition. But most musicians can’t hear a single sound, they listen only to the relationship between two or more sounds. Music for them has nothing to do with their powers of audition, but only to do with their powers of observing relationships. In order to do this, they have to ignore all the crying babies, fire engines, telephone bells, coughs, that happen to occur during their auditions. Actually, if you run into people who are really interested in hearing sounds, you’re apt to find them fascinated by the quiet ones. “Did you hear that?” they will say."

I was very tempted to say "Did you hear that?" to fellow musician Jason Forrest the other day. We were on the U8 line, coming back from lunch. Jason was going to meet Jamie Lidell, who was going to lend him some microphones. (Jason has somehow recorded everything up to now without microphones, in other words without "audition", without giving his computer ears.) The train was making a most extraordinary noise -- something was stuck to one of the wheels, I think, something which made a combination of a whoop, a whistle and a bubble as it turned. It wasn't very loud above the track noise, but I wanted to see if Jason had heard it. I couldn't find the right moment to interrupt our conversation, though, and then Jason's stop came. Perhaps he heard it as the train rolled out of the station. I hope so. Maybe he got his mics, and ended up recording it the way Cornelius recorded his dot matrix printer for his last album (it's one of the best tracks).

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But all too often musicians are not just unobservant, they're deaf. They're so used to playing so loud that they don't hear The Elephant in the Room -- or the mouse under its foot. This Children of Men clip spells out the dangers of tinnitus in rather dramatic fashion, but do we really need to slam a black bag over people's heads and send them off to reprogramming camps to get this message through? Aren't articles like this Wired News one on How to prevent hearing loss enough?

Someone just sent me a link to a Slate article entitled JTunes: the insanely great music Apple won't let you hear. It's about how there's all this great Japanese music out there that you can't buy because of Apple's local restrictions. Unfortunately writer Paul Collins seems to think that "great music" equals thickly-recorded, loudly-mastered crap that almost sounds like American bands. And so he links to Straightener's Killer Tune -- a piece of ultra-derivative copy-by-numbers elephant dung strung halfway between Green Day and Nirvana, accompanied by a video in which every move the band makes seems to have been mapped from someone else. This kind of music is way too available these days. And, in every sense, this sound is way too thick.

I've just ordered a new iMac and was reading reviews of Logic Express, which I decided to include. Great though the software probably is, I really feel there's almost nothing you can do with it that would match the Greenaway film of John Cage's 70th birthday celebrations at the Almeida Theatre -- the radical social message of all those performers with their Fluxus radios, the inherent dramatic interest of that situation, the conceptual elegance of the man who set it up, and the inherent interest of the sounds themselves. This software is part of the problem, not the solution. It's for people who, in a sense, can't really hear. What would John Cage have done with Logic? Thrown it away, probably.
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Date: 2007-01-24 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Of course, some might say that Cornelius' "Toner" track is as derivative of Paul Panhuysen's "Engines in Power and Love" -- an album made with dot matrix printers as the only instrument -- as Straightener's "Killer Tune" is derivative of Green Day. But I'm going to pass over that parallel. Even if they were similar cases, one music would still be thicker than the other.

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Date: 2007-01-24 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishwithissues.livejournal.com
Someone just sent me a link

That someone was me!

I do all my music mixing in final cut. Sucks to all the rest.

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Date: 2007-01-24 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php

I thought you might find this interesting. People gathering and distributing "non-musical" sounds.

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Date: 2007-01-24 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
This is also good: A search engine for sounds (http://www.findsounds.com/).

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Date: 2007-01-24 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnnybrolly.livejournal.com
Bob Dylan: "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them," (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5277574.stm)
It does rather seem that the trend is to compensate for the lack of dynamic range in digital music (particularly MP3s) by filling in all of the blanks with squiggles and effects.

What's interesting is if you take an older (probably analogue) recording that was produced with vinyl in mind, and a newer recording meant for the age of MP3, and play them both on vinyl and MP3. No prizes for guessing that the older recording will sound quieter than the new when compared on digital format. The older recording will also lose a lot of its dynamic range. However, the interesting thing is when you compare on vinyl format - a fully digital recording, with all the bells and whistles, will often sound utterly flat compared with an older recording.

I think my point is that today's technology for compressing music isn't up to the standards that geeky audiophiles from the 70s used to bang on about. Mind you, geeky audiophiles in the 70s were reknowned for their love of Dark Side of the Moon and were probably been horrified when punk came along.

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Date: 2007-01-24 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thehakujin.livejournal.com
Didn't Cage use computers towards to end? I'm sure of it.

I've made several digital recordings where the wave form was one solid block. Just to say I did I guess. Then I found some old tape recordings where the sound is buried in hiss. At first I tired to get rid of it, but it can be kind of beautiful. You have to turn the speakers way up to hear the song at all and the hiss just fills the room like fog.

I think there's too many options to "fix" music any more, but that's another topic. I tend to be a proponent of loud, but loud means nothing without quiet, you are right.

And Straightener...jesus. How do you rip off other wholly derivative bands? Screw Apple anyway, there's nothing stopping people from buying Japanese CDs, there's a million site in English for that now.

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Date: 2007-01-24 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 33mhz.livejournal.com
The itunes store is a DRM'd piece of shit anyway. I'm hoping it will still go the way of the Dodo as high-quality non-DRM'd mp3 vending sites like Warp Records' Bleep (http://www.bleep.com) gain more of a profile, but since part of the point of DRM is technologically-enforced brand loyalty, people are going to be hesitant to abandon the itunes store altogether.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insomnia.livejournal.com
"all too often musicians are not just unobservant, they're deaf ... This Children of Men clip spells out the dangers of tinnitus in rather dramatic fashion, but do we really need to slam a black bag over people's heads and send them off to reprogramming camps to get this message through?"

But that's not the problem, exactly. It's not usually the fact that they are deaf, it's that they are intentionally filtering out the sounds around them. I have a good deal of hearing damage from seeing hundreds of live concerts a year when I was young, but I tend to hear -- and often focus on -- sounds that most people would ignore.

"The soft honk seems clear enough to the naked ear, but the recording turned out muddy..."

Sounds like you'd need to pull out all the stops (http://www1.epinions.com/content_2034933892) to record a sound like that.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insomnia.livejournal.com
Yep... freesound is good. The best part of the site is their geotagged google map (http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/geotagsView.php) of the sounds.

It's like a mini-vacation.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
"I have a good deal of hearing damage from seeing hundreds of live concerts a year when I was young, but I tend to hear -- and often focus on -- sounds that most people would ignore."

That´s the difference between listening and listening, I suppose. But then we grow up with so much background noise that a lot of people need it in music too.

what did you do in the war?

Date: 2007-01-24 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niddrie-edge.livejournal.com
Apparently Jimmy Page was well into leakage. So much so, that he decided to mic up Led Zeppelin himself at an early BBC radio session. This led to a technician's walk out, striking to a work to rule. They believed he was taking their work from them. "Light and Shade" was an obsession with him.
He also would "use" leakage. Its really evident in the sizzling feedback drenched skin of John Bonham.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yetchor.livejournal.com
The 27 sounds manufactured from a kitchen reminds me of György Pálfi's film Hukkle (http://www.hukkle.hu/) (hiccup). Have you seen it? Filmed entirely from a micro perspective and without dialogue, any semblance of a story is revealed through the sounds emitted from actions - like a knife on a chopping board, doors shutting and (of course) hiccups. If ever there is a conversation, it is muffled, turned down and assimilated into the background. Recommended!

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niddrie-edge.livejournal.com
Given Dylan's dodgy track record on quality studio productions, his almost "fear of the studio", he may not be the best judge of fidelity.
Perhaps he was a true sonic puritan. One can observe the care with which he uses a microphone in the early, pre 1965 live performances, where it appears he was a master of his ambience.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alphacomp.livejournal.com
For the past week or so I've been using a 68k mac emulator on OS X to make music with Super Studio Session, this program from the late 80s/early 90s. The included sound samples are all 8 bit and at 22KHz. While the sounds, in theory, aren't particularly interesting, the low resolution of said sounds create these amazing peripheral artifacts of noise that add so much depth to an overall recording(which is also kind of my reason for liking the sounds and textures of chiptunes). They have much more personality than the professionally EQed, 24-bit digital sounds from GarageBand. At the same time, the overlapping digital hiss sometimes becomes so overwhelming that it also forces one to add a lot more space to a composition.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zazie-metro.livejournal.com
P.S.: says here (http://www.indiewire.com/people/people_031126palfi.html) that he wanted to make "a musical without music".

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19091977.livejournal.com
It's just like what happens with digital effects in movies these days or movies that are completely digital, there isn't much space or contrast. It's just millions of things on the screen at once doing stuff & every color imaginable & all this. I've noticed the lack of space in music alot lately as well... also, unprocessed vocals!

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Haven't seen Hukkle, it sounds interesting!

Am just listening to Paul Panhuysen now -- it's more musical than I expected, not just dot matrix printers. Actually quite Cornelius-like in the way voices are mosaic-ed.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
Oh, whoops, no, that was a Paul Lansky track with the voices... iTunes skipped on to something else.

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Date: 2007-01-24 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] insomnia.livejournal.com
When I was in about 3rd or 4th grade, they had a school-wide program where they would play recordings of people talking over a bunch of background noises. Their goal was to "teach" kids to screen out background noises and distractions, by gradually increasing it each time.

Presumably, this would help kids to concentrate in the classroom. Nowadays, they'd probably just force parents to put their kids on Ritalin...

I still remember feeling really upset, because I wasn't very good at doing this self-filtering. Can't say I have any regrets now, however.

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Date: 2007-01-24 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
Oh, that´s a nice idea, but it doesn´t work, since once you get so used to the background noise that you can filter it out entirely, you can´t concentrate without it anymore. Well, that´s what developmental psychologists say, anyway.

It probably differs a lot from child to child, as well. I suppose some are so (mentally) sensitive to sound they find it difficult to filter at all.

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Date: 2007-01-24 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] electricwitch.livejournal.com
"unprocessed vocals!"

Yes! I´ve talked about this with my singing teacher before. It really gets to me, as well, as I can´t stop hearing the effect louder than the actual voice.

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Date: 2007-01-24 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
I have removed the "natural bass" of most instruments on the songs for my new album. There is close to no "punch"/"power" in the songs anymore. Sounds fun?

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Date: 2007-01-24 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
add some 808s.

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Date: 2007-01-24 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
Is the use of Fruit Loops Studios for the beats good enough?

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Date: 2007-01-24 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auto-nalle.livejournal.com
love your hat.
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