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They say: "Eurabia... is essentially a political project for a total demographic and cultural symbiosis between Europe and the Arab world, where Israel will eventually dissolve. America would be isolated and challenged by an emerging Euro-Arab continent that is linked to the whole Muslim world and invested with tremendous political and economic power in international affairs." (Interview with Bat Ye'or, who coined the phrase, in Front Page magazine)

I say: Eurabia is a silly, hysterical meme being broadcast by right wingers. But it's interesting to me insofar as it sums up right wing fears (of Islamic immigrants "swamping" Europe, etc etc) the same way my own meme "Angrael" sums up left wing fears (of Anglo-Saxon countries becoming Israel-style "security states", etc etc). They're both conspiracy theories, and lots of facts can be cited to "show" that the future belongs to one or other scenario. Mainly, though, they're political scare stories designed to shift policy in ways we want to see it shifted.



They say: "It's the demography, stupid... the West is in danger of extinction... Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most Western European countries... the EU's population will be 40 percent Muslim by 2025." (Mark Steyn in The New Criterion)

I say: Jesus God, what neo-Spenglerian crap! Steyn's stats on demographics are refuted usefully here by Pearsal Helms. Nevertheless, it's fascinating to tie this in with my Fashion Muslim action. In the view of these anti-Muslim Paul Reveres I am already one of the fallen, the corrupted! Look at the facts: I'm a white European, but I've already been married to a muslim, I wear muslim clothes, and my favourite record is "Musique Arabo-Andalouse" by the Atrium Musicae de Madrid, a reconstruction of the utterly lovely sounds resulting from the cultural fusion that happened when large parts of southern Europe really were under the control of the moors! And it's funny to imagine Hajj preparations as the lead story on the BBC News website in 2025!

They say: "Dhimmi was the name applied by the Arab-Muslim conquerors to indigenous non-Muslim populations who surrendered by a treaty (dhimma) to Muslim domination. Islamic conquests expanded over vast territories in Africa, Europe and Asia, for over a millennium (638-1683)... Dhimmitude is not exclusively concerned with Muslim history and civilization. Rather it investigates the history of those non-Muslim peoples conquered and colonized by jihad. (Dhimmitude.org) "Dhimmis, 'protected people,' are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race." Dhimmiwatch

I say: By a cunning act of sleight-of-hand -- by proposing a sci-fi future in which the present tables of dominance and subordination are turned -- muslim minorities are presented as the majority and today's majority suddenly become the enslaved minority, the dhimmis. We're supposed to recoil in horror from this image of future oppression by today's oppressed, and enact appropriate legislation and/or genocide to prevent it. But what if we like what Islamization does to European cities? What if we think that Kreuzberg's Turkish markets actually contain the real spirit of medieval Europe (they're the closest thing you'll find to a Brueghel painting in Berlin)? What if we enjoy the very vitality that fills rightists with apprehension, the sex drive that puts the birth rate in Islamic countries bordering the EU at twice the rate of EU nations?

They say: Dhimmitude in Britain: Muslim women exempt from ID card photos!

I say: This "Boo hoo, it's not fair!" attitude ("why are they allowed to cover their faces on ID cards, and we aren't?") leads to accusations of "asymmetrical multiculturalism", identified by right wingers as a weakness of the liberal position. Why do we encourage minorities to celebrate their ethnic specificity while making it taboo for the indigenous majority to do the same? Why are we tolerant even of the intolerance of others? The answer is that power changes everything. It is because we're the majority that we must indulge minorities but not indulge ourselves. Deconstruction theory tells us that every binary has a dominant and a repressed element. There can be no "fairness" in treating those elements as if they were equal, and even less in proposing, through sci-fi scenarios like "Eurabia" and "dhimmitude", that the repressed element is somehow about to become the dominant one. Multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical because power imbalances make asymmetry the reality.

Some Norwegian fascists speculate: "Europe's fate is sealed when Turkey is allowed into the Union, and becomes its largest member. Freedom of speech will be shut down, and any criticism of Islam banned. Eurabia will become a global center for Jihad activities, as the dhimmi taxpayers and infidel Western technology give a boost to the Ummah. For this reason, the Americans, the Israelis, the Indians, the Russians and maybe even the Chinese will have to crush Eurabia by brute force, as it will represent a grave security threat for them. Muslims will be heavily concentrated in the major cities, and the dhimmi native population will retreat into the countryside. I believe something similar took place in the Balkans during Ottoman Turkish rule. The old nation states will thus slowly die, as their major cities, which constitute the brain and "head" of its culture, are cut off from the rest of the body. Europe's decline into Eurabia will be speeded up by the fact that millions of educated natives with the means to it will move to the USA or other nations. This trickle of Eurabian refugees wil eventually be slowed down by the authorities in the now totalitarian Europe, as it will erode the tax base. Native Europeans will simply be banned from leaving. There will be no war in Western Europe, as its civilization is already dead and very few will bother fighting for it." (From the blog of Fjordman, a fearsome fascist of the fjords.)

I say: Well, mostly I laugh with a laugh so huge it fills the fjords. But also I'm quite interested, because I like zany sci-fi. For instance, I also learn from one of Fjordman's guests that G.K. Chesterton outlined a similar scenario in a novel called The Flying Inn. "In this novel - written almost 100 years ago - Chesterton postulates a (then) future Britain where an attempt is made to impose Islam on the English by a mixture of da'wa, stealth invasion and collusion by a treacherous political and business elite." The theme also informs some contemporary art. Robert Gligorov's "Eurabia Place de l’Etoile" shows the Arc de Triomphe dressed up as the sacred black stone of Mecca, the kaaba. And Gregor Schneider's "Cube Venice" does the same for the Piazza San Marco in Venice.



They say: "Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam. And Italy is an outpost of that province, a stronghold of that colony. In each of our cities lies a second city: a Muslim city, a city run by the Quran. A stage in the Islamic expansionism." (Oriana Fallaci in her new book "The Strength of Reason," "La Forza della Ragione" in Italian.)

I say: Okay, shut up, you fascists, I'm bored now!
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Date: 2006-01-08 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
Momus, you always hit the nail. I was actually worried that you had left your interests in European politics since the election of Germany last year. What do you think of the results of the election?

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Date: 2006-01-08 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
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Date: 2006-01-08 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imomus.livejournal.com
I thought Schroeder was pretty good, the way he pretended he wasn't going anywhere right up until the last minute, forcing the desperate Merkel to hand all the important posts over to the SDP in exchange for the chancellorship she so desperately craved. Now she's a bit like the Queen of England: we'll see her a lot, but she won't have much to say.

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Date: 2006-01-08 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luxetumbra.livejournal.com
Multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical because power imbalances make asymmetry the reality.

Kwame Anthony Appiah had a very good piece in the New York Time Magazine last week about this very issue (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/01/magazine/01cosmopolitan.html?ex=1293771600&en=32d0cb1a9cecb5d1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all). (I personally am of the "When in Rome" school.)

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Date: 2006-01-08 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cap-scaleman.livejournal.com
Smart fella. Merkel got aupplauses here by a local journalist because she "solved" a debacle between France and Britain or what it was. But I feel sceptical about her anyways. That local journalist may be right-winged, who knows. Did you see any news about it in Germany?

Unconvincing postmoderninst blather

Date: 2006-01-08 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
While I'm not sure if I buy the right's paranoia here, I find this to be unconvincing postmodernist blather.

"Deconstruction theory tells us that every binary has a dominant and a repressed element."

So, do poststructuralist non-elucidative vacuous hermenuetics reinforce the competitive discourse of the post-neo-capitalist cultural dialectic?

There is a very real danger that the future will belong to fundamentalists. However, I view the right (especially the American right) as part of the fundamentalist axis. I fear both Islam and American militant Christianity, and I think that liberals need to extract their heads from their posteriors and start fighting both of these.

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Date: 2006-01-08 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] triestine.livejournal.com
Agreed on "When in Rome". I don't see anything wrong about respecting the laws of a country one is visiting or moving to. If they want to see faces on ID cards, for example, or want you to carry a veil, then be prepared to show your face or cover it; if this is too much for you to comply with, simply don't go there. Frankly, though, I would much rather live in a world the diversity of which rests in the identity of places sooner than people: when in X, I am a part of X; when in Y, I am Y. I know I'm naive but I'd be so much happier if people were not so obsessed with belonging to a group.

Re: Unconvincing postmoderninst blather

Date: 2006-01-08 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
At last, a voice of reason.

Re: Unconvincing postmoderninst blather

Date: 2006-01-08 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kineticfactory.livejournal.com
I fear both Islam and American militant Christianity, and I think that liberals need to extract their heads from their posteriors and start fighting both of these.

Quite a few Marxists would disagree with you. Liberalism, being a bourgeois reformist ideology, is the enemy of the revolution and socialism, you see, and is irrevocably linked to capitalist hegemony. Which is why you hear of hardline leftists (such as, say, George Galloway) embracing Islamists as fellow anti-Western revolutionaries.

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Date: 2006-01-08 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luxetumbra.livejournal.com
I really like the robust sort of cosmopolitanism addressed in Appiah's essay:

A tenable global ethics has to temper a respect for difference with a respect for the freedom of actual human beings to make their own choices. That's why cosmopolitans don't insist that everyone become cosmopolitan. They know they don't have all the answers. They're humble enough to think that they might learn from strangers; not too humble to think that strangers can't learn from them. Few remember what Chremes says after his "I am human" line, but it is equally suggestive: "If you're right, I'll do what you do. If you're wrong, I'll set you straight."

I agree with the general principle of respecting the laws and mores of other places, but I also have no problem with decrying and protesting these laws and mores when I find them particularly demeaning to human rights in general (e.g. female genital mutilation, the Niqaab/Burkha).
From: (Anonymous)
If we accept the premise that multiculturalism needs to be asymmetrical in order to protect the oppressed groups, it becomes very important to have an unbiased heuristic for determining when a group ceases to be oppressed. Who decides? The group itself? A majority vote of the entire state or civilization? You? Me?

Related to this is the question of how to identify an oppressed group. And the question of how to identify a new oppressor group. These last questions might be the most important of all, if you care about remediating oppression before it becomes entrenched.

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Date: 2006-01-08 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonsound.livejournal.com
That article was excellent.

I'm curious

Date: 2006-01-08 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonsound.livejournal.com
What Muslim clothes do you wear?
- Fatima.

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Date: 2006-01-08 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I'm of European descent (mother from Estonia, father's father from germany), living in the Bay Area, California. I live next to Fremont, which has a very large Afghani population. the Bay Area as a whole has a large Hispanic population and good-sized Asian population. And all that I see is...

...it's been a great blessing to have so many different groups here. Period.

false dichotomy

Date: 2006-01-08 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-whimsy.livejournal.com
Well, it's all science fiction until it actually happens, isn't it? Half of twentieth-century history reads like sci-fi in the abstract. Master race? Ethnic cleansing? Great Leap Forward? Atomic bombs? Apollo 11? Michael Jackson? A worldwide islamic fundamentalist caliphate may not even be remotely probable, but while there are thousands, perhaps millions, who think it might be a good idea, it remains within the realm of possibility.

Much of Europe has done a lousy job absorbing its North African and/or Muslim populations. When in Paris, I've had perfectly delightful conversations with Moroccan gentlemen, but I could see their expressions change and body language stiffen when a "native" Frenchman would approach. If anything, Europe needs to become even more western--that is to say, liberal-minded and inclusive. Right now, I don't sense this from either the European left or right--both employ a doctrinaire species of rationale rather than open-ended reason. A very destructive methodology, if you ask me--especially in light of the challenges that Europe now faces.

I think history (read: collective experience) is usually a much better model to work from than the theory du jour. Jove spare us from any more fundamentalists--political, intellectual and religious alike--and their big ideas. The Japanese might agree.

Re: I'm curious

Date: 2006-01-08 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luxetumbra.livejournal.com
I think it's this djelaba (http://www.livejournal.com/users/imomus/134714.html).

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Date: 2006-01-08 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingedwhale.livejournal.com
Bay Area people represent!

But the entire EU should not become like the SF Bay Area. The world should preserve its culturally homogeneous areas at times, lest we all submit to an (albeit unlikely) "uniform diversity," or something. =P

Re: Unconvincing postmoderninst blather

Date: 2006-01-08 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheapsurrealist.livejournal.com
Radical clerics like Pat Robertson are extremely dangerous. The President of the united states is a jesus freak. The christo-facsits are trying to break down the separation of church and state. They use the term secular leftists to describe people like me. (used to be commie pinko queer)

And yet they are trying to set up a secular democracy in Iraq. And failing miserably.

No State should be founded on a religion. And once it is, it is very difficult to separate them. Good luck separating Mosque and State George.

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Date: 2006-01-08 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henryperri.livejournal.com
Like all socialists, you are naturally disposed against Western Civilization. All of the culture that it cherishes you see as a symbol of oppression. Your taste in art has been decided completely by your political alliances; this is why you write pieces on pop art exhibits and video installations instead of art by someone like Rodin--because it's subversive of Western culture.

You make it pretty clear that you would like to see the fall of Europe and America. And yet, like many other socialists who talk so much hot air, you continue to live only in Westernized countries. You like the Turkish market, but only in the context of the free market.

I don't know how seriously I take the demography problem in Europe. The latest issue of the New Criterion (for whom Mark Steyn writes) is focused solely on this issue. Let make it clear, however, that deep down, this is not an issue of oppressor vs. oppressed; this is the case of one system being more tolerant than the other and hence more desirable. You're crazy if you think, under a sharia, that you could write essays critical of the government and songs about coming on girls.

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Date: 2006-01-08 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
I too am bored with the fascist blathering. So much so, I don't worry too much about radical expansion. Why didn't the Moors push north past Spain? Too cold to bother conquering. Why didn't the Caliphates press East into China? Probably because of the Islamic prohibition on pork -- in case you haven't noticed, the Chinese do love their swine flesh. As the phrase describes, both parties reached an impasse.

I do find the exemption on ID photos troubling, as this represents in every respect the same mitigating force on religious expansion as cold rain and pork fried rice. I doubt the exemption will stand the test of the courts and/or practical application.

What wonderfully interesting insights you present. Do continue.

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Date: 2006-01-08 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfmcdpei.livejournal.com
The same people who complain about Eurabia now would have complained about Jew York City (http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003463.html?entry=3463) this time last century.

Re: false dichotomy

Date: 2006-01-08 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stanleylieber.livejournal.com
But if you would all just live the way I want you to...

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Date: 2006-01-08 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pop--kandy.livejournal.com
For what it's worth, Steyn's specious statistics were also debunked by this science journalist / blogger here. (http://bouphonia.blogspot.com/2006/01/human-locusts.html)

And one perspicacious political blogger has written up probably the longest, most comprehensive catalogue of Steyn's paid wingnuttery here. (http://elementropy.blogspot.com/2005/12/wingnut-all-star-mark-steyn-wingnut_26.html)

It really makes you think - there seems to be a network of such people, and is their explicit purpose not just to rally the base with fearmongering, but to draw out liberal ire in a sort of "flypaper strategy" whereby logical arguments and reasoned discourse are twisted against the people who say them?

The shame is really that Steyn's a smart guy, a witty writer and a decent theatre critic, but who stoops to quote Ann Coulter while trying to position himself as heir to the William F. Buckley, intellectual-conservative tradition. Can't have it both ways...

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Date: 2006-01-08 10:19 pm (UTC)
aberrantangels: (I don't trust you dogfuckers)
From: [personal profile] aberrantangels
Like all socialists, you are naturally disposed against Western Civilization.

And your evidence for this would be what, exactly?

You make it pretty clear that you would like to see the fall of Europe and America.

And he makes this clear where, exactly?

I forgot...

Date: 2006-01-08 10:20 pm (UTC)
aberrantangels: (I don't trust you dogfuckers)
From: [personal profile] aberrantangels
You're crazy if you think, under a sharia, that you could write essays critical of the government and songs about coming on girls.

And you have what reason, exactly, for thinking that he could possibly think this now, or have thought this in the past, or be likely to think it any time soon?
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